Quantum Biology Revealed: How Your Terrain Shapes Your Wellness | E071
In this episode of Wildly Optimized Wellness, Toréa Rodriguez is joined by Dr. Catherine Clinton, a renowned naturopathic physician specializing in gut health, autoimmunity, and psycho-neuro immunology. Together, they explore the profound connections between our internal terrain and the natural world, delving into cutting-edge topics like quantum biology and the fourth phase of water. Dr. Clinton shares her expertise on how these concepts are integral to our physical and mental wellness, offering listeners practical advice on how to incorporate these insights into their daily lives. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the science behind optimizing health and wellness.
In This Episode
00:00 - Quantum Biology Revealed: How Your Terrain Shapes Your Wellness
02:19 - Tending to Your Terrain
07:07 - Quantum Biology Explained
16:32 - Key Particles in Quantum Health
22:54 - The Role of Structured Water
32:06 - The Fascinating Fascia
36:39 - Staying Updated on Quantum Biology
38:02 - Closing Remarks & Resources
Resources Mentioned
Dr. Catherine Clinton’s Website
Dr. Catherine Clinton’s Instagram
Dr. Catherine Clinton’s Youtube Channel
Gerald Pollack's Research on Structured Water
Douglas Wallace's Research on Mitochondria
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Transcript
Toréa Rodriguez 0:00
Welcome to the Wildly Optimized Wellness. I am your host Toréa Rodriguez, and I've had a lifelong fascination with the natural world, and its impact on our well being. For over a decade, my work as a functional practitioner has been exploring how our relationship to our environment, to our thoughts, beliefs and emotions can have a profound impact on our physical and mental wellness. And because of that neurology, and brain based rewiring is a core focus of my practice. I am passionate about helping people not only feel better, but actually achieve that vibrant, no holds barred version of themselves. They've been missing for a long time, and how we actually get there. Well, that is what this show is all about. Please keep in mind that this podcast is created for educational purposes only and should never be used as a replacement for medical diagnosis or treatment. And if you liked what you hear today, I would love it. If you would leave a review, hit that follow button or share it with a friend. Because we never know how much we can impact others when we do. Let's start today's adventure, shall we?
Toréa Rodriguez 1:11
I'm super excited to introduce today's guest, Dr. Catherine Clinton. She's a Licensed Naturopathic Physician with a focus on gut health, autoimmunity, and my favorite a psycho-neuro immunology. She's a respected author, speaker health advocate, and her current private practice is located in Eugene, Oregon. During medical school, however, Dr. Catherine was diagnosed with and healed from an autoimmune disease that affects the gastrointestinal tract and this sparked her passion to prevent autoimmunity and people everywhere and today, Dr. Katherine addresses the gut and psycho neuro immune systems of children, adults and families, through the lens of a deepening connection with the natural world around us sounds familiar? Now Dr. Catherine is passionate about the connections we have with the natural world and how these connections can regenerate our health and the health of the planet Go Team. She sees an urgent need for healing our internal terrain, as well as healing the terrain of the world in which we live and so with that, let's hit the trail.
Toréa Rodriguez 2:19
Okay, this week, I am super excited because I am joined by Dr. Catherine Clinton, somebody that I have been following for a while now ad we have a lot in common because we talk about a lot of the same things. But Dr. Clinton, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. We've had a couple of attempts at this, and it's happening today.
Dr. Catherine Clinton 2:40
Absolutely. Well, thanks for having me on. I'm really excited to dive into some of my favorite topics with you.
Toréa Rodriguez 2:47
Yes. So I don't know how many of my followers listeners, people that I work with. I don't know how many also know about you? And one of the things that I love that you do every week on your social media account as you compile this thing called tending to your terrain. Can you tell us like, where did you get this concept from? And what is it? What does it entail? And how can people participate in attending to, to the terrain?
Dr. Catherine Clinton 3:15
Absolutely, absolutely. So it was 2020 it was at the beginning of the pandemic, and I read an article about a beach in Spain, actually one that I'd been to and have feelings for. And they were they were spraying the beach with bleach to make sure that it didn't have any germs, right. They wanted to keep people safe. And I understand the need to protect and that desire to protect, right. But the way that that was being done, I was so heartbroken that we've gotten so far away from things that we would think that splint a sprain and beach with bleach, it was what would bring that. And so I started this hashtag tenger terrain to let people know and sort of cultivate community around how we tend to our terrain. It's not spraying it with bleach, it's cultivating a diverse microbiome with a diversity of food with laughter wits loves with time outside in nature with good sleep with good people with tending to other people. When we help another person that actually, you know, tends our internal terrain and so tending your terrain speaks to tending their internal terrain, which means you know, our microbiome, our immune system, our inflammatory state, all of it right all That which is within us, and tending to it. And then really recognizing that we don't end at the barriers of our skin, our terrain extends to the world around us and the people around us and the plants around us and the animals around us. So when we tend to that we are tending to ourselves. So this sort of full circle. And so what people do is they, they tag me on Instagram, they use the hashtag, hashtag tenure terrain, and then they just share that to my social media, to just remind people that that's where our health comes from. That's where our connection comes from. Tending to these relationships, whether it's our relationship with ourselves, and what we put in our body and our body, or how we are relating to the people in our lives of the animals, or plants or all of it, right. It's all part of that.
Toréa Rodriguez 6:02
I love it. It's so up my alley and it's so much what we talk about, I'm wildly optimized wellness, in terms of how our relationship with the natural world can impact our overall health and wellness, both from a physical body health, our mental wellness, all of those things. And it really does go a long way to the point where we want to start looking at what is the soil? Is the soil full of microbes? Or has it been, you know, treated with fertilizers and mono crops? And now it doesn't have a bunch of minerals in it? And what is the relationship to our farmers, and to the people that cultivate the food for us? You know, so it's right in the alley. So we will definitely be putting that hashtag into the show notes so that people can start participating even more in this weekly roundup that you do I love it. You and I talk a lot about quantum biology. And that's a relatively new term. And I've tried to define it somewhat. But I would love to hear like what is your definition of quantum biology? What is it?
Dr. Catherine Clinton 7:07
Absolutely. That's a great question. You know, we've heard about quantum physics, we've heard about biology. But this idea of quantum biology, this emerging field is really very new. And really what it is, is the study of quantum phenomenon. So like quantum tunneling, quantum entanglement, where two particles are separated by distance, but inseparable in nature, superposition, where a particle can take multiple paths at one time, because it's a particle with matter in a wave of energy, quantum coherence, all of these different ideas relate to the study of quantum biology, and that these phenomenon are happening in living systems. And it's really the study of how the flow of electrons, protons, so tons of light photons from sound, and how they impact our biology. And this was something that, you know, was theorized about what's the birth of quantum physics, but it wasn't until the early 2000s, with Greg Engel and grand slamming out of UC Berkeley, they were looking at photosynthetic bacteria. And they sound that when a cell captures a photon of light and shows it to the photosynthetic reaction center where photosynthesis happens that it is using superposition, meaning that that photon is taking multiple paths to the photosynthetic reaction center. And the proteins, the thylakoid proteins in that cell are vibrating in a way that brings coherence and keeps that photon on it fastest path. Now how they know to do that is is something we haven't quite gotten to yet. But
Toréa Rodriguez 9:03
I hear these things. I just get so excited to hear this stuff.
Dr. Catherine Clinton 9:07
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, absolutely fascinating. It was not well received at first, you know, quantum physicists use labs to study these phenomenon that are cooled down below absolute zero. So no life can exist. They are shielded from any vibration, any heat, any noise that would disturb these delicate quantum phenomenon. So when this research came out, they were like, Absolutely not. You know, some, a team of researchers at MIT kind of laughed and, and had a hay day with with this. And then when they read the actual research paper, they were like, Oh, my goodness, and they started doing quantum biological research as well. Right? Because it's absolutely fascinating.
Toréa Rodriguez 9:54
And what are the advancements that we've seen and labs? I'm not sure if you know the answer to this question, but you know, in the Bay Area, there's the Stanford Linear Accelerator, right? This big long building that is in darkness and cold, and they're shooting electrons, photons, I don't even know, right down this long tunnel. But you're right, we can actually have biological cells in those environments. So have there been advances and labs to be able to start to study quantum physics, but apply it to the biological models in the labs? Are they starting to change? In terms of their equipment? And how they do this? Do you know?
Dr. Catherine Clinton 10:35
Yeah, they're the instruments have gotten a little more specific, especially when looking at photons. But I think also, you know, some of the research coming out about proton spin, has been derived from using an MRI, but looking at it in a different way. And so you know, some of it is new, more sensitive equipment, and some of it is using equipment we already have, but looking at it in a different imaging capacity. So it's, it's exciting. And I think that the, the tech is just going to get more and more advanced in that aspect.
Toréa Rodriguez 11:15
Agreed, agreed and what we know of so far, is it certain types of cells or organelles within the cells that are affected by quantum particles of sorts, or is it all cells? What's your sense on that?
Dr. Catherine Clinton 11:36
I think that once we get down to a certain level, that there's going to be quantum phenomenon present, I think it's pretty well accepted that, you know, for example, quantum tunneling exists in our proteins and our enzymes within a cell. And so this becomes a really ubiquitous phenomenon happening throughout the human body, when we look at it that way. And there's other things happening to and I have the research says all kinds of stuff, it's exciting. And there definitely isn't. A lot of it is a conclusive, but a lot of it is, you know, the research around around light around sound, these things are very conclusive, and I can't wait till they reach the X Google doctor's office, right, those mainstream doctors that that can utilize this information, because a lot of it is free and accessible, is the other thing about the research around quantum biology and it kind of, you know, comes back to that tending to your terrain. It's, it's getting outside, it's getting natural light. It's, it's it's singing and humming and laughing, it's been with people you love. It's, you know, it's, it's those things, not to, you know, oversimplify it. But it seems to really come back to some of those things we've always known as humans.
Toréa Rodriguez 13:06
Yes. And I think that is the piece that excites me a lot. Because, you know, ancient cultures that we have come from, you're all involved in interacting in their natural world and thriving in that way, like they gave birth to us, right. So they were thriving, and we know that they were thriving, yet, we have started to live in this modern society and starting to separate ourselves more and more from nature. And we're seeing these rampant rates of chronic illness and disease and all sorts of things that are happening. Now, granted, we've got a lot more chemicals in the environment, I get it. There's a lot going on here. But I do love the idea that we are starting to now finally understand certain phenomena, if you will. So when I went through undergrad many, many years ago, we'll just keep that under wraps there. But when I went through undergrad, we were talking about the Krebs cycle, and we were talking about the creation of ATP and the amount of energy that it has. And the thing that always made me super curious, but nobody really had a good answer is that if you quantify the amount of energy of the sub components going into creating ATP, and then you quantify the amount of energy of that particle on its own, it was always way greater than the sum of its parts. And we couldn't quite explain that. And that has always been in the back of my head of like, what kind of magic is happening here. And now what we're starting to understand is that it's the quantum physics side of things. And that is where we're starting to be able to understand where this stuff is coming to play. Is that a fair statement? Across my understanding?
Dr. Catherine Clinton 14:52
Yeah, I think so. I mean, especially when we're talking about the electron transport chain, right when we're talking about how you know in school We learn, okay, food is broken down into these cofactors. Those go into the electron transport chain outcomes ATP. That's the deal, right? Now we understand that that process is dependent on a certain kind of water. It's dependent on quantum tunneling of electrons and protons, it's dependent on the light in our environment, right? That's something that if I had raised my hand during school to say, like, oh, well, ATP production, is also dependent on sunlight, on the skin, people or through the eyes, people for just pure, like, automatic s for you, you know, what are you talking about? And now we know that there are chromophores that can capture that light and make ATP more efficiently. And so that's a huge part of the equation that's been ignored. Okay, or, and, and not known about, as well right?
Toréa Rodriguez 16:02
And I love that we're starting to understand them, can we break down real quick for people to understand what are the particles that we know that act in these ways, according to quantum physics, that are super important for us in our health and wellness, we've got photons from light, you mentioned photons for sound, what other particles are in the natural environment that are super important that you pay attention to when you are teaching this kind of stuff?
Dr. Catherine Clinton 16:32
Yeah, so those two ones, photons of light, and photons from sound, and also, you know, in looking at electrons, and protons, and ions, negative ions that we come in contact with in nature are really important. And, you know, we could kind of go down to the, to the level of excitons and talk about how, you know, that's okay, you know, excited particles and, and get a little intense with it. But I think those four are really what I'm focusing on, and I'm hoping that other doctors will follow suit, because it really comes down to the idea that we are electric in nature, right, we have a voltage, we have a negative charge. And when there's a decrease in, you know, especially in the mitochondria, Douglas Wallace has done amazing research, associating any dip in mitochondrial function with the onset of symptoms and diseases, right? He's associated so many different diseases with this decrease in mitochondrial function. And that production of electrical charge that flow of electrons through that electron transport chain, the flow of protons through those proteins in the electron transport chain, those complexes are really, really important. And they you know, what are they important for it, they're important for our brain health, our cardiovascular health, our respiratory health, our digestion, our immune system, our inflammatory state, our hormonal state, I mean, there really isn't a system that's not impacted by light and sound and the flow of electrons and protons.
Toréa Rodriguez 18:25
Right. And it's this reason in itself is probably the, the reason why every single client I come in contact with their number one task is Get outside in the morning, in the sunshine in nature, like just go outside. 10 minutes, 15 minutes, don't have sunglasses on, like, just spend some time outside. You don't need to be running, you don't need to be walking around the block, you can just literally sit in the sun, I don't care, because it has such a primary impact on our mood, or energy or sleep cycles, our immune system with vitamin D production, all of those things are so impacted by light and even though it today it's overcast. Even though it's overcast, we still get those photons coming through the clouds. Right. And that's why it's so so so critical and important. So you and I pretty much preach the same thing is getting outside first thing in the morning.
Dr. Catherine Clinton 19:27
Yeah, absolutely. It's so important to align that rhythm with the sun, get that and sunlight it sets up so many different hormonal cascades neurotransmitter cascades. And, you know, if you think about it, our cells have a circadian rhythm. They have a circadian clock and not is stimulated by the light in our environment. And when it's aligned with the sun, then that function is working more efficiently and we are more healthy. And that means Getting that answer and getting some natural light in the day, and also lowering that light respecting the time. That is dark, right? That is the time when some of those hormones are made when melatonin is released and converted from serotonin, our growth hormone that repair process that happens in the dark.
Toréa Rodriguez 20:23
So even very simple things like blood sugar and insulin response, it changes after the sun goes down. So you know, we have poor, a poor or insulin control mechanism when we are eating late at night after the sun has gone down. So it's much easier if we get all of our meals and during the daylight hours, so that our metabolism can function on the optimal level. And that was something I didn't really know, until several years ago, and I was just like, oh my gosh, another circadian rhythm thing, this is awesome. You know, it's just we're so in tune with that light. When you know, even for people with shiftworkers, there are ways to use lights in, in a fashion to help stimuli as much as possible to make it a little bit easier on the body. But shiftworkers their correlation with different kinds of diseases and metabolic imbalances. And that kind of thing goes up a lot for people who have to work at night. So, you know, it's using all of those tools and tricks to be able to try to help the body as much as possible, even if they can't wake and sleep with the sun cycle. But
Dr. Catherine Clinton 21:38
Absolutely, absolutely. And, you know, speaking of circadian rhythm and shiftworkers there's also the, you know, it's a beautiful system, we're meant to see the sun, we're meant to see that light and we're meant to eat, you know, so our, our interaction with food also has a big circadian entrainment. And that's a wonderful tool for people to use when when they are shift workers, you know, there's so many ways to kind of hone in on this system, even even if we do have a schedule that misaligned us with it. And I think that shift workers, it's time that we recognize the sacrifices being made there, and they need to have like, right, you know, much higher pay hazard pay hazard pay a need to have much better health insurance much better access to health care, so that Absolutely,
Toréa Rodriguez 22:38
I agree, I agree. Another fascination of mine and also a fascination of yours. Can we talk about structured water? This thing called structured water in the fourth phase of water? How is structured water related to the quantum physics or the quantum biology, if you will?
Dr. Catherine Clinton 22:54
Great question. So structured water, for those that maybe don't know what we're talking about. It was something that had been theorized about by researchers like Albert, St. George and Gilbert laying for centuries, not centuries, decades, almost a century, right. It was it was the, the early 1900s, right, so over a century most of this, but it wasn't until Gerald Pollack and his team out of the University of Washington, they were the first to identify this different phase of water, he turned to the fourth phase of water with his book by the same name. And he found that this water was more viscous it was gel like he theorizes that it's this hexagonal sort of lattice. And he was studying Nafion. And Nafion is a synthetic hydrophilic surface, meaning it's watered loving, it's not hydrophobic, it's not going to push away the water the water to come readily up to the surface. And that's what he saw happen, this water comes right up to the surface of hydrophilic surfaces creates this different phase of water where the hydrogens become more tightly bound, it acts as a template as one lattice sheet of structured water forms, and acts as a template for more sheets to form to build this sort of structured water zone. And he found that it's infrared energy that builds that zone. And as that zone is built, it kicks out a positively charged proton and creates what researchers are calling a proton wire. And just like the separation of charge and a nine volt battery, the separation of charge between the negatively charged structured water against a hydrophilic surface is, you know, that's negatively charged the proton wire that's immediately outside of that is positively charged What she did in his lab was he put an electrode in that negatively charged structured water, one in the positively charged protons zone. And it was enough to light an LED light bulk is enough to kind of power biological work. And he was working again with Nashi on this synthetic material. But he soon turned to other materials like collagen. And now we have a lot of evidence for researchers around the world that this water forms against our hydrophilic surfaces. And what would those be our cell membranes, those mitochondria, we were talking about our fascia, our DNA, and it creates sort of this water battery to allow for biological action that's outside of the chemical, mechanical processes we learned in school. So it's absolutely fascinating. And this ability of sort of this liquid crystal water, right, and what is what I'd say liquid crystal, we immediately start thinking of those cool shops with singing bowls, and having beautiful gems, right. And things are great. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the ability for us to have this conversation with our screens with our smartphones, and our computer screens and our TV screens are a result of liquid crystal technology. And what that means is a liquid crystal, their molecules are all oriented in a certain direction. And when there's a stimulus of electricity, those molecules orient in a different way. They allow for a different formation of light to come in. That's where we see these beautiful pictures come from. And the same thing is, is true within our body and this liquid crystal water that we have, it's able to trap and store light and and frequency information. So it's really incredible. And going back to those mitochondria, it also allows for that proton junk conduction through those complexes on the electron transport chain. So when you know when I was in school, I can think of those animations with the little bouncing balls that were electrons hopping down the chain, and the protons go through the middle of the complexes. And now it's been aided by the structured water so that the protein proton doesn't have to travel, step by step through that protein, it can jump to duck from one end to the other. And it's just fascinating.
Toréa Rodriguez 27:48
It's so fascinating and there was something that I read, and I can't remember it was if it was in the fourth phase of water. But are we also understanding that the arteries now are? Well, they've always been, but our understanding now is that the arteries are lined with the structured water that can help prevent things like plaque buildup in the arteries. Was that from the book? I can't remember where I picked that up. But hey, sure, stunning to see that.
Dr. Catherine Clinton 28:15
Yeah, absolutely. And he's actually done research showing that. And he was using it he was, and he found that when the the heart stopped beating, and we kind of think of that, and are taught that still in medical school, that that's how our blood is circulated this pump, right. And believe us on that infrared energy is present, then that blood will still circulate, really implicating that structured water, and that ability to create that low, you know, he took and we're talking about Gerald Pollack, she can when he took a college in the college and tubule and he immersed in water, he put infrared energy into the system. And he saw that tubule build structured water not only on the outside, but the inside. And not only that, he saw pretty immediately that that created energy to get he was been able to use this flow of water and protons and particles through that tubule. And as long as that infrared energy was present, US low was also present. So it's absolutely paradigm shifting.
Toréa Rodriguez 29:42
So amazing. And we're starting to see more and more structured water devices come forward onto the market. And from what I understand, the infrared energy is present also the physical motion or the tumbling or vortexing, water is a way to create structured water. Because this is something that we can't see, is there a risk here for consumers to be buying a product that isn't really doing what it says it's doing? Have you seen any of that? Or are most of these things pretty legit with your understanding of structured water and quantum biology?
Dr. Catherine Clinton 30:23
Oh, absolutely. I mean, wherever there's a market, there's a risk for bad practices, shall we say, right? And I think that, you know, pollack says time and time again, that if we have water, if we're hydrated, if we're drinking clean water, we have minerals to absorb that water, then we will build that structured water within us. And so when people ask me about structure, water devices, and they get really, really expensive, I first say, yeah, they do. And first, say, if that is the route you want to take, I mean, you don't have to, there's lots of free ways to enhance your water to structure your water to structure the water inside of you. But if that's what you're looking for, those companies that have those claims that make those claims, should be backing it up with research, and if they've done the research, it'll be predominantly displayed on their website, because it's expensive to do. So, That's the way we know. Yeah
Toréa Rodriguez 31:36
Awesome. Thank you. Thank you for that. You mentioned fascia before, not a lot of people talk about fascia. Other than, you know, they they trim it off of whatever cut, they're cooking for dinner kind of thing. What are we learning about fascia in regards to quantum biology? And I don't want to put a spoiler in here. So tell us a little bit about what you know about fascia. Why is fascia so important? And how has it become this new thing that we should pay attention to?
Dr. Catherine Clinton 32:06
Yeah, I love talking about fascia. You know, I just mentioned I just mentioned that experiment where Pollack took that college and tubule and saw that structured water form on the inside on the outside and saw that flow, and that conduction of protons and particles and, and water. And what we don't usually understand about our collagen, or excuse me, our fascia, just like you mentioned, that sort of that used for scaffolding. That thing we removed, that our fascia connects to every single structure in the body can connect into our cells via those Integra rooms. And it creates this body wide communication network. And it is made of connective tissue, which is mostly collagen. And we see that this collagen creates this triple helix, right, we're used to thinking of our DNA, and that double helix. But our collagen creates a triple helix, which creates these tubules that are very small. On the quantum size level, they're called propyl, collagen, nano tubules. And they create this flow, this conduction of water, this proton jump conduction, where we can see the tunneling, the jump conduction on these protons almost instantaneously throughout the body. So all of a sudden, we've gone from this useless scaffolding that needs to be removed to get at the thing that matters to this beautiful quantum communication network that spans throughout the body.
Toréa Rodriguez 33:47
Amazing and Fascia I know is one of those things that can harden over time, especially if not used that much. So this is why sedentary lifestyles can be very poor. Aside from movement, is there any other thing that we can be doing to take care of our fascia to make sure that it's optimized and functioning the best that it can?
Dr. Catherine Clinton 34:12
Absolutely, well, we want to make sure that we're hydrated right? Because that movement brings in fresh water and actually hydrates our fascial system. So if we don't have the water to pull in, then we're not having the full benefit of movement. And another thing that happens with movement is our fascist piezo electric like a quartz crystal. When we compress it, it's creates an electrical charge. It creates infrared energy when we've moved further structuring this water battery within us. And so I love to talk to people about getting infrared energy in their light, whether that's from sunlight, whether that's through movement, whether that's from is tending to our mitochondrial health, whether that's snuggling with someone you love under a blanket, right, that increases our infrared energy. There's so many different ways. Yeah, there's so many ways to tend to that system. You know, Infrared Saunas are great, but those are expensive. And blankets are something most of us have. And so if we're lucky enough to have a loved one, by us, that's an easy, cheap, beautiful way to increase that infrared energy inside of us and tend to that fascial network.
Toréa Rodriguez 35:35
Love it. Love it so much. I know that we are getting pretty close to time here. But I did have one last question, which is, aside from the two labs that you've talked about already, and feel free to repeat them again, I would love to know who which labs in which scientists are you following to stay on top of the advancements and the new discoveries that we're making in the world of quantum biology?
Dr. Catherine Clinton 36:02
Oh, that's a great one. Well, Fleming, and Engel out of UC Berkeley always do amazing work. I love Douglas Wallace's work. I love Gerald Pollock's work, I love looking at some of the research from John Stuart Reed. There's so many researchers out there that are coming at sort of holographic right. So it's not all in the same vein of research, but they're creating this beautiful picture. So thank you for asking, because I feel like dive into their work.
Toréa Rodriguez 36:39
Yeah. And it's so great to start learning from these scientists, and then you know, who they're citing on their papers, you get to learn from them. So it becomes this big network of people. So thank you for starting the seed on that. I would love to give you a chance to let people know how to find you anything that you've got coming up that you would like people to know about that they can participate in? Where can people find more of you?
Dr. Catherine Clinton 37:06
Well, thanks for asking. I'm Dr. Catherine Clinton and that's where I am everywhere. My website is www.drcatherineclinton.com. That's where you can find me on YouTube, Instagram, social media, Facebook, and I love sharing this information. I've got lots of free resources on my website. I love to share this on social media and YouTube. And I also teach courses for people that want to dive deeper. So I'd love to continue the conversation.
Toréa Rodriguez 37:41
Yeah, well, thank you so much for coming on and talking with us today. We really appreciate it and have a wonderful, wonderful week.
Dr. Catherine Clinton 37:50
Thank you so much for having me. And thank you for spreading this kind of information. It needs to be a household notion.
Toréa Rodriguez 38:00
Yeah,I agree.
Toréa Rodriguez 38:02
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