Backpacking to Empowerment: Insights from Expedition Courage's Deanna Kleinhenz | E069
In this episode of the Wildly Optimized Wellness Podcast, host Toréa Rodriguez introduces Deanna Kleinhenz, a professional backpacking guide and empowerment coach. Deanna shares her journey from South Florida to Colorado, detailing how her first chaotic backpacking trip sparked a lifelong passion for the outdoors and mental wellness. The conversation explores the transformative power of nature, the importance of being present, and how Deanna’s company, Expedition Courage, empowers women through wilderness immersion. Whether listeners are seasoned hikers or simply curious about the healing potential of the outdoors, this episode offers insights, laughs, and inspiration. Join them on this trailblazing discussion!
In This Episode
00:00 - Introduction to the Episode.
01:11 - Meet Deanna Kleinhenz
02:17 - The Connection Between Mental Health and Nature
04:19 - From South Florida to Colorado.
07:21 - The Empowerment of Backpacking
12:06 - Becoming a Professional Guide
19:41 - Handling Psychological Emergencies
22:42 - Preparing Clients for Outdoor Experiences
27:43 - Upcoming Women's Backpacking Retreat
32:51 - How to Connect and Special Offer
Resources Mentioned
Join the Nervous System Reset Challenge
Connect with Toréa
Website: https://www.torearodriguez.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/torearodriguez/
Connect with Deana Kleinhenz
Instagram:@expeditioncourage
Transcript
Toréa Rodriguez 00:00 Welcome to the Wildly Optimized Wellness. I am your host Toréa Rodriguez, and I've had a lifelong fascination with the natural world, and its impact on our well being. For over a decade, my work as a functional practitioner has been exploring how our relationship to our environment, to our thoughts, beliefs and emotions can have a profound impact on our physical and mental wellness. And because of that neurology, and brain based rewiring is a core focus of my practice. I am passionate about helping people not only feel better, but actually achieve that vibrant, no holds barred version of themselves. They've been missing for a long time, and how we actually get there. Well, that is what this show is all about. Please keep in mind that this podcast is created for educational purposes only and should never be used as a replacement for medical diagnosis or treatment. And if you liked what you hear today, I would love it. If you would leave a review, hit that follow button or share it with a friend. Because we never know how much we can impact others when we do. Let's start today's adventure, shall we?
Toréa Rodriguez 01:11 Well, hey friends. Before we dive into today's conversation, let me introduce you to Deanna Kleinhenz, Deanna, she is a professional backpacking guide. She's an empowerment coach. She's a true hiker and she's also the founder of Expedition Courage and this is her company where she's trailblazing the world of outdoor adventure but coupling it with personal growth. And she and her partner, empower women through backpacking and wilderness immersion, to foster that personal growth and as you're going to discover today, her own experiences are proof that challenging oneself in nature, how that can have such a profound impact on our resilience, our self reliance, our connection to that self wisdom and self trust. And that's exactly the outcome that she delivers in these experiences with Expedition Courage. And while Deanna is based in Denver, the events of Expedition Courage happen across several western states. And today, we're going to explore that connection of mental health and being in the outdoors with a professional backpacking guide. So let's hit the trail.
Toréa Rodriguez 02:17 So welcome back to the podcast and today I am joined with Deanna, and as you heard in the intro that I recorded earlier, Deanna is a professional and backpacking guide, and is also exploring the intersection between mental health and mental wellness and the outdoors. And we connected on threads, ironically enough, and you know, you had posted this post of like, what podcasts are out there that are looking at the outdoors and health and wellness and, you know, women and empowering women of color, like ah, that's my podcast. That's kind of interesting. And so we decided that we would get together and have a conversation. So welcome.
Deanna Kleinhenz 03:01 Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah, that's really the beauty of social media and creating these organic connections and threads is new for me. But I kind of like it a little more than the other platforms right now. It's coming my favorite.
Toréa Rodriguez 03:15 I really do like it. It's fun, because we can have some pretty authentic conversations over there and respectful conversations. It doesn't get so polarized so quickly. And I love that. Because part of the reason why I love doing the work that I do is making connections with people and being able to meet new people, especially like minded people. So yeah, from a social media platform, like it's actually a kind of kind of a cool one. I would love for you to just kind of explain a little bit or tell us a little bit about how you got into using backpacking as a modality for your work. You and I were talking before we hit record. You're originally from South Florida. Yes. And now you're in Colorado. That couldn't be a more drastic elevation change, by the way.
Deanna Kleinhenz 04:06 Very much. Oh, yeah.
Toréa Rodriguez 04:09 Yeah. So tell me how did you get interested in backpacking? And then how did you get interested in in it becoming your profession? That'll be the first question. I've got more for you.
Deanna Kleinhenz 04:19 So I, as you said, grew up in South Florida. So I didn't have the parents that brought me hiking into the mountains and had a bit of a tumultuous upbringing. I experienced a lot of fight or flight survival mode. I had no idea at the time. But when I went on my first backpacking trip, I was 21. It was with my partner at the time, and there really wasn't much thought into it. We were just like, let's do this. And I'm someone that embraces a challenge and naively because he was a man and he was like, let's go I kind of thought he knew what he was doing. And we ended up on this trip. If neither of us knew what we were doing, we did not plan and prepare properly, our gear was dusty antiquated, falling apart. It was the middle of August, which is hurricane season in Florida, it rained the whole time. But despite all of those adversities, and challenges, for the first time in my life, I felt presence. And I felt this connection to self that it was very, very new to me. I was very connected to my social programming at the time, and just running on it autopilot. So for the first time, being in nature, for a few days, the noise stopped, I felt empowered, I felt in charge. And I felt a sense of hope and wonder for my life. And that, you know, I did have some say in this, but it's not just the cards were dealt to me this way. And this is how my life was going to be. So looking back, I see it as my first spiritual awakening of many, many that I've had. But that's really what made that link between mental health than nature. And that was my drive, I love to the landscape aspect of it, seeing beautiful places, pushing myself getting stronger. But it was always the connection to self and the clarity that I received, that, you know, just exponentially grew more and more that I sought out the nature.
Toréa Rodriguez 06:28 Yeah, that's really cool and, you know, it's interesting, because I've heard so many people do. We've all had that first experience, like the first time we go out backpacking, and it's with really all the equipment. There's something like nothing's really prepared, like, wait a minute, what, what am I doing? And usually, there's some kind of rainstorm or something happens. So because that's a common experience. What do you think it was about that first experience that allowed you to connect into the presence? And the reason why I ask is, there are a lot of people who do that, right. And they're like, I'm in a tent full of bugs, and it's raining, and I'm wet and screw this. I'm never going out in the outdoors ever again. What was it about that trip? Do you think that allowed you to make that connection to self for you to have a different experience?
Deanna Kleinhenz 07:21 Yeah, absolutely. I think instead of worrying about the what ifs and letting my head spiral into my insecurities, and my situation and my family's situation, the problems and the issues that I had, and the thoughts that I had, that were circulating in my head were very, very much real conditions and issues I had at the time, like, Okay, I'm wet. How do I get dry? Okay, it's raining, where's my raincoat? Okay, I'm hungry. How do I use this show. So all of these things that were going on, it was empowering to me because I was able to be present, find the solution, get drive, feed myself, work on whatever it was. And at the end of the day, make it you know, back to the car. And the trip was a success at that point. And I learned so much. So then again, it was you know, having those present moment, real challenges that came from the elements and life and weather and all of these things that were out of my control. Instead of spiraling and feeling like a victim, I without even consciously knowing stepped into this empowering position of making choices to better my current situation at the time, and post backpacking trip, just having all of those profound realizations and, you know, using that as a parallel to life, it just completely changed how I looked at my situation moving forward.
Toréa Rodriguez 08:59 Yeah, it's, it's really interesting, because you, I'm going to touch on two points of what you just said, one, one is that when we are in that kind of situation, and our life gets pared down to the very simple how do I feed myself? How do I shelter myself? How do I stay warm? I don't want to say it's like, it gets filtered down to survival, but it kind of is survival. Yet it's not survival in the like, I'm gonna die survival, it is really paring our life down to what is the most essential and what is the most important, and a lot of times working with my clients, I will introduce them to an exercise which helps them figure out what the most important things are. But it's not necessarily what we think in the moment because when we are all dialed in to, you know, running our kids to soccer practice or you know what's going on at work or, you know, family politics or whatever that happens to be that is occupying our brain. We're not really focusing in on what is essential when we can Do that you're empowered to be able to make certain choices. And from that you get to be empowered in your own life. The second thing, I want to kind of touch on what you just said, I just recorded a podcast on this very subject, which, you know, in my world of coaching, there's this concept of cars living in cars versus living in effect, and living in effect, is that living in that victim mindset of Oh, my gosh, it is raining on me. Why is this happening to me? My tent poles just fell down? Why is this happening to me, you know, as opposed to, oh, my temples just found out fell down, I can figure out how can I like, prop that up with an extra stick so that it stops doing that, or, Hey, it's raining. And you know, I don't really care so much, because guess what, I've got shelter over my head and the rains gonna pass, right, and just having this different response to our circumstances, as opposed to being a reactor to our circumstances. And so you were able to, to shift in that way in that very first trip, which is amazing. It's not everybody does.
Deanna Kleinhenz 11:09 They don't. And I think a lot of people psych themselves out and think about those scenarios, and already put themselves into a victim mindset of Oh, what if I see a bear like, well, when you see a bear, you're going to tell the bear, you know, go away, bear, and you don't think about it as much in the present moment, you're reacting and handling it. So people I find psyched themselves out. And then when it does rain in their tank gets down, you see them just go into handle it mode. Yeah. Yeah,
Toréa Rodriguez 11:37 it's really, really cool. Um, I'm curious, how did you? How did you prepare yourself to go into being a professional guide? I think that is something that we don't really talk about all that much. We talk about becoming a doctor, we talk about becoming, you know, a pilot or whatever. But we don't talk about becoming a guide, like, what does it take? And what kind of training does it take to become a professional guide?
Deanna Kleinhenz 12:06 Yeah, so after that first trip, I kind of just googled and YouTube my way, little by little to figuring it out and just taking messy action to become a better backpacker. The more trips I went on, it gave me more confidence to take some of my friends out that I had never gone before. And it was really that first time that I brought a female out with me that again, was like the me a few years before and had no experience and seeing her just flourish outside and realizing that I had something special and leadership was just innately a part of me. That got me very excited to continue doing that. I actually ended up moving to Colorado to pursue a geology degree. And after Yeah, I was just trying to get paid to be outside. That's that's really what it was. But after a semester of doing that, it didn't, it wasn't in alignment with me, I knew that. And I found I just did my research with various schools and found a community college that offered outdoor education as one of their certification programs, and took a bunch of classes that the instructors were like from Knowles, which is the National Outdoor Leadership School work for Outward Bound. And just started racking up the certifications. I got my wilderness first responder to courses like canyoneering, and ice climbing and rock climbing and Outdoor Leadership, risk management, just a plethora of different courses in that field. And I never finished my certification COVID happened and all the classes went online. And I didn't want to do field work online. But what I did was I built what they call a wilderness resume. So if anyone's interested in becoming a guide, like, have a lot of personal trips under your belt and take friends with you practice your leadership, you don't necessarily have to go to a school, like I did. But you should take wilderness first responder and just look into these other courses to kind of stack it up.
Toréa Rodriguez 14:17 Yeah. I think that's wonderful that you started to go down the path of okay, I'm gonna get my formal education in this area and realize that not necessarily do I need to have that completed and not a lot of people talk about that, but most of my life experience just comes from going out there and, and getting the experience right. You know, we talked briefly before we hit record about that transition that I had going from pilot to functional medicine practitioner, and yes, while I got certifications and got certified to do functional medicine, when I first became an FDN I got experience just through working with clients, right. It's like that's how it is like I could tell you all the text stuff about this lab, and what protocols go along with this lab when you see these kinds of results, but then you need to get that kind of real world experience. And I love that that is what you've decided to do. And then you also briefly mentioned a wilderness resume. And so that's where you're putting those trips on there, as well write your experience, not just the certifications?
Deanna Kleinhenz 15:21 No. All the personal trips, I would write down, you know, like blue lakes, three nights, four days, led to women on their first backpacking trip. And I would use my friends as like, obviously, you're my friends, you're not paying me but like I'm treating you like clients, I'm teaching you from A to Z, how to pack your bag, how to meal prep, how to navigate a map and use a compass and what you're looking for and safety. And I was giving myself that experience. And you know, again, just reassuring myself, like, Yeah, this is the right path. And really just stepping into that I am a guide, before I even was a guide, and then just shot my shot and you know, applied at some guiding companies and landed a job.
Toréa Rodriguez 16:07 That's amazing. And it's it's very similar how you did it to the way that it's done in aviation, you know, as a pilot, you've got a logbook, and you log your experience, you log every single flight, so that you can get that experience. And when you become a flight instructor, you are logging how much time you're teaching and training other people so that you can get that experience right. And being employed as a pilot really is based off of how much hours how many hours and how much time you've got under your belt for that kind of experience to be able to be considered for a professional pilot in jobs. So it's very similar just done I guess less formally because you guys don't have a logbook for Willdan. misguiding but close enough, right. Definitely. Yeah. For people that don't know what this is. And I'm going to assume that the people who listen to this podcast some people will know some people won't. But you mentioned wilderness first responder, what is wilderness first responder? I know what it is because I have the certification. But I just love to hear from your words for the audience like what is a wilderness first responder? What does that mean?
Deanna Kleinhenz 17:13 So wilderness first responder is an 80 hour medical course that you take. And it's specific to how to address and handle medical emergencies or psychological emergencies in the back country. So the training really is pretty extensive. You do it for like 10 days in a row 10 hour days, and it's designed for you to make decisions regarding Is this an evacuation is this, you know, high blood sugar or what to do when you're having a seizure. So you're not necessarily treating patients outside and making decisions like a doctor. But you're making a decision based on if this person can move forward with the trip. It could be minor or big scenarios like you know, they broke their femur how to use your trekking poles and whatever else you have to splint up broken bones and make the proper calls, right, uh, soap, no, communicate with first responders and take vitals and get them you know, out of the field.
Toréa Rodriguez 18:30 Yeah, yeah. And you know, for all of the like, outdoor retreat experiences that I've done and lead people on hikes and that kind of thing, it was important for me to have that kind of training because unless I were taught hired got professional guide like you to come in and do that part of it. For me, I wanted to make sure that there was at least somebody trained to be able to handle any kind of emergency that happens. And when we're out in nature and out in the outdoors, it could be just as simple like, oh, I cut myself with the knife opening up my my, you know, dehydrated, dehydrated meal packet or whatever, right? Or it could be I fell down the trail and now I have a stick coming out of my leg, you know, so it could be multiple things and you want to be able to be prepared for that kind of stuff. You had mentioned though, when you were talking about the wilderness first responder training or Wolfer for short. You had mentioned psychological emergencies. And since your focus is kind of in that mental health area, what would be deemed a psychological emergency in the outdoors? What kind of example would that be?
Deanna Kleinhenz 19:41 So what I've personally seen in the field with my own experience that happens a bit is panic attacks. Which even though it starts mental you know, can manifest in the book the body and become pretty serious. But you know, that could be a psychotic episode that you're having to deal with. Or perhaps someone is dealing with some drug detox that you did not know about. And you know how to how to go about handling that and look for the signs and mitigate that situation. So it really could be an array of different things. But I'd say panic attacks and anxiety is one of the bigger ones that I I see, and I have dealt with.
Toréa Rodriguez 19:43 I think, anxiety around being in the outdoors is the biggest preventative, to people experiencing it, you know, it's like, they get stuck in that anxiety standpoint. And when you are going into an environment that you're not super familiar with, guess what we're going to be dealing with the unknown. And when we deal with the unknown, that's when the fears creep in. And that's when, you know, and this is coming from me being a person who has definitely followed the thought patterns straight into a panic attack in the outdoors. I've done it a number of times.
Deanna Kleinhenz 21:03 I always say before a breakthrough, you're gonna have a breakdown, it's just the way it works, you can't get to the peak without hitting your rock bottom. And a lot of times, it's people's first time, disconnecting from the noise of their responsibilities and their life and you know, actually dealing with their thoughts and having to sit with them. And it can create some some panic and some anxieties and require you to lean on community and be vulnerable and move through that you can't ignore it and push it away out in the country, which for me, that's why I do what I do. That's why I think it's so special.
Toréa Rodriguez 21:40 Yeah, yeah, I think it's one of those things where, you know, if, if we're not paying attention to and most people aren't, but if we're not paying attention to our thought patterns day to day, right, if we are the type of person who's always thinking about, the glass is half empty, or always thinking about, you know, what's the worst thing that's going to happen in this situation, I call it dawning the anxiety girl, you know, superhero cape and leaving to the worst conclusion like that. If we don't know that, that is the way that our thinking is patterned. And then we get into a situation where we're now we're in the outdoors, it makes it very difficult to, to know that that is going to be something that might happen. But guess what, those are the people that tend to get into that first kind of panic attack kind of situation, how do you? Do you prep your clients ahead of time before you go out to prevent some of that stuff.
Deanna Kleinhenz 22:42 So the company I work for, where I run trips in Grand Canyon and rock Mountain National Park, they do a screening and ask a series of questions. And we have like a pre trip orientation, we go over some things, but it's not really designed to address someone's mental state or why they're going into it, which has, that's what's inspired me to create expedition courage and have these backpacking retreats with intention to where you know, we're spending for zoom calls prior to even meeting in person going into your mindset talking about neuro linguistic programming and thought patterns. So I can get a sense of where they're at, but also creating a trust between me the clients and building this community before we even get out there. Knowing that, you know, some triggers pop up, it's more likely with this design of how the trip is going to play out that we can work through that rather than someone thinking that they're dying, because their heart is racing, when really, you know, you've got some stuff coming up. And you know, we you, we got to move through that you got to release the issues in your tissues.
Toréa Rodriguez 23:59 I like it. I like it. It's the it's very similar to the other saying that I use is, you know, sometimes we use motion to process and move through emotion. Yes,
Deanna Kleinhenz 24:10 I love that.
Toréa Rodriguez 24:12 Yeah. So and I love that you are looking at that overlap, right, because oftentimes our mental state can manifest itself into a physical state, you were talking about the heart racing, right, that can be fully controlled by the brain and our thought process. And so knowing that that's the case and that you've got the skills and you are prepared to be able to deal with this kind of situation. makes it so much of a in my opinion. If I were to imagine that I was going on a backpacking trip for the first time with zero experience in the outdoors. I would be much more inclined to go on a trip like that where I knew that somebody was thinking in that way from a multi faceted thing rather than it being kind of the Get like the old, the old school way that the outdoors used to be is just like the bro club. And we're just going to go, and we're just going to push through it, you know, and that is so intimidating to me to think about being you know, somebody who's got zero experiencing the outdoors. And just like you gotta suck it up. It's like, no.
Deanna Kleinhenz 25:21 And I think that space in the industry is always going to exist, there's going to be people that have backpacking experience, and they're just here for the full Sunday adventure. They just want to go and do it. But I want to fill that gap where people want more community more education and more of an intentional transformative experience, is there's always going to be the go sign up and hike Kilimanjaro. But how often do you see a retreat that combines the traditional methods of you know, holistic yoga meditation ceremony, with outdoor education, and you go get to still be badass outdoors and actually learn how to be self sufficient while backpacking.
Toréa Rodriguez 26:06 It's pretty unique. And to be clear, when I say bro club, I'm not doing a gender thing I've seen. Yeah, I've seen why didn't have the same attitude. So I just want to be really clear for those listening. But it's, it's really nice to see that this is starting to come about because I think, you know, in, I grew up in Colorado, so I grew up in the forests of, you know, the White River National Forest. I don't even know if it's still called that anymore. I think the district is changed. Is it? Okay, good. Um, but I grew up in that kind of environment. And so I was outdoors a lot. So for me, it's a very natural environment for me to be in. But I always think about, you know, clients that I work with, a lot of them, they haven't had that opportunity to be in the outdoors, you know, and that kind of gave me the idea to start doing retreats and give them an N nature immersion experience. Yeah, but not necessarily putting them in a tent for the first time. Right. And having them like, do these more epic adventures. And so this is kind of the next progression. I have always dreamed of being able to do kind of a backpacking type retreat at some point, and maybe someday in the future, I will but I, I love the fact that you guys are YouTube, YouTube, ladies are already doing that, and that it's available. Tell us a little bit about this retreat that you have coming up this fall. And what is that going to look like? And who who's kind of the ideal candidate to go on some something like this?
Deanna Kleinhenz 27:43 Yeah, so this retreat is called the disconnect to recurrent reconnect women's backpacking retreat. It is designed for the woman who maybe you have some experience day hiking or just a curiosity for the outdoors and making that transition to being an overnight hiker. Actually going on backpacking trips, it's overwhelming, perhaps you don't have the community to lean on or find that mentor to teach you. This is for you. And with our retreat, like we were talking about earlier, it does combine life coaching so we address topics like self love, goal setting, channeling your inner child to have fun and let yourself just be free in the outdoors, along with actually giving you for more outdoor education, teaching you how to plan a trip, what gear you'll need, how to pack your bag, how to select the campsite, that country cooking. I mean, I can go on and on and on about all the subjects. So our retreat is September 24 to October first this year. It is in the beautiful Escalante, Utah. Yeah. It's stunning. It's my favorite favorite part of Utah and I've been to like all the national parks.
Toréa Rodriguez 29:05 It seems a great time of year for that part of Utah too.
Deanna Kleinhenz 29:08 It's absolutely perfect. Yeah, yeah, it's perfect. So we are going to be staying at a ranch for half of the retreat. So two days at the ranch, we'll do yoga meditation, we'll set our goals. We'll prepare for the expedition ahead, pack our bags get ready. On day three, we set off to the trailhead, and we spent three nights and four days hiking through Coyote Gulch, which is this beautiful trail. You're just walking through a string bed the whole time with towering canyon walls on both sides view there's natural arches and bridges and waterfalls and swimming holes. It's truly the perfect first backpacking trip. And our days are pretty mild as far as you know, sending in having the big hikes, it's really more about having those slow mornings to go through yoga, have a journal session, move through our code sheet, and then learn along the way how to backpack and have that time for intentional self reflection. So after finishing the trip, we returned to our retreat base, spend two more nights integrating what we've learned, and what we want to take away from it, and then departing with lifelong friendships.
Toréa Rodriguez 30:32 That's amazing.
Deanna Kleinhenz 30:33 So Yeah.
Toréa Rodriguez 30:34 And how many people?
Deanna Kleinhenz 30:37 We are looking for six women? Okay, six women, we've got a few right now. So we have three to four slots left. There's one person we're giving a few days
Toréa Rodriguez 30:47 So the group size, it's six. And then there's two. Leaders?
Toréa Rodriguez 30:51 Yes, yeah.
Toréa Rodriguez 30:52 So 8 total?
Deanna Kleinhenz 30:53 8 total
Toréa Rodriguez 30:54 Got it.
Deanna Kleinhenz 30:55 6 women. So we want to create a nice, intimate container and not have it be too many people. And this is the first of many retreats that we will be launching in that area and around the world, we have one that we're creating for February in Costa Rica. By this being the first one, it's going to be incredibly special and potent. Very powerful.
Toréa Rodriguez 31:21 Really cool. I've done group trips with REI in the past, and those group trips are much bigger, they're usually about 15 people. A lot to me, that's too many people.
Deanna Kleinhenz 31:34 Yeah that's a lot.
Toréa Rodriguez 31:35 like the much smaller, more intimate kind of experiences for sure.
Deanna Kleinhenz 31:40 And you know, I want to be mindful of leaving no trace and having a minimal impact on the land. And 8, this feels like the right number for everyone to get the right moment.
Toréa Rodriguez 31:52 That's amazing.
Toréa Rodriguez 31:52 So I'm curious from a permit standpoint, are you guys taking care of the permitting for the clients? Are you teaching them how to do the permitting on, like teaching them how to apply for the permits?
Deanna Kleinhenz 32:07 We're definitely going to teach them how to plan and look for permits and what you need and how to follow whatever land management regulations that are in place. But we as a company have taken care of all the permits for these trips being that they're comfortable. Yeah, we had to go through different hoops that a person would have to go through.
Toréa Rodriguez 32:11 Yeah, the moment it becomes a commercial thing. It's a whole different endeavor. So
Deanna Kleinhenz 32:32 Absolutely.
Toréa Rodriguez 32:33 Yeah, totally, totally. Is there anything else that you would like to know we're going to put your website and your social media handles in the shownotes? Is there anything else that you would like to let people know in terms of how to find you or how to reach out regarding the retreat?
Deanna Kleinhenz 32:51 Yeah, I'm very active on Instagram @expeditioncourage, you can always DM me there, or go to my website and we are offering a special discount to you listeners of this podcast
Toréa Rodriguez 33:03 That's very cool.
Deanna Kleinhenz 33:05 Who Yeah, if you have interest, and you want to get more info and book a discovery call and do decide that this is in alignment for you and a good fit, we're giving you a $400 discount off of our retreat just mention WOW the Wildly Optimized Wellness podcast.
Toréa Rodriguez 33:20 Yay.
Deanna Kleinhenz 33:21 I like that yeah,
Toréa Rodriguez 33:22 Thank you so much for offering that to the listeners. And I think that's great. And I hope that you get this retreat filled and you have an amazing time. It sounds like it's going to be awesome. I would love to join. But I know that this is for people who may or may not know how to do backpacking already. So at some point, we'll have to connect and do a hike together.
Deanna Kleinhenz 33:43 Absolutely, in the future, we definitely should link up do that.
Toréa Rodriguez 33:46 Very cool.
Toréa Rodriguez 33:47 Hey, thanks for joining me for this episode of the Wildly Optimized Wellness podcast. If you're looking for new ways of thinking about your wellness, you can check out my website torerodriguez.com. Want to have a peek into what it's like to work with me? Check out the Wellness Curiosity Collective or any of my other programs or retreats. And if you found something helpful in today's episode, don't forget to leave a review hit that follow button or share it with a friend because they're gonna love that you thought of them. Until next time, See You Outside
