Evie's Highlights | S2E9 (E019)
Evie summarizes some of the topics in previous episodes, and demonstrates how she’s incorporated those concepts into her life. Sometimes it helps to hear things more than once, and it also helps to hear how other people interpret and incorporate new information. This is a peek into what it's like to hear the takeaways from the coaches perspective.
In This Episode
Behind the scenes of a health coach (03:21)
Implementing the learnings of Secondary Gain (S1 E5) (07:25)
Recognizing the focus in conversation (S1 E8) (10:31)
Relating to Heather Kelly’s Story (S2 E8) (16:03)
Relationship to food (S2 E8) (18:47)
Being intentional, Konrad from Sunlight Inside (S2 E7) (23:27)
Cause vs Effect (30:11)
Toréa Rodriguez 0:00
Hey, everybody, I wanted to pop in ahead of today's episode to announce something very exciting. What's happening is our very first wilderness reset retreat. So all I'm gonna say is there are only a few slots remaining for this. And if you have any interest in coming on this once in a lifetime event to Montana, to really experience a safe environment for growth, get some firsthand experience with the outdoors, implement all these things that we've been talking about on the podcast for the last two seasons already, now is your chance. So I will include the link to those tickets in the shownotes. So if you have any interest whatsoever, make sure that you snag a spot because this might be the only time we're doing this one.
Evie Takacs 0:45
Yeah, I'm so excited because it'll, it'll really be a combination of the things that we talked about on this podcast of getting outside resetting your nervous system, spending time in community with other people, learning some new skills, like I'm really, really excited personally to be a part of this, because there are some skills that I lack. And I'm excited to learn from other people. And I'm excited to facilitate some of the workshops in this retreat, and it's going to be in a beautiful location and just a nice recentering of the nervous system in the body in health. So I'm really excited for that.
Toréa Rodriguez 1:16
Absolutely. And now let's get to today's episode.
Welcome to the Wildly Optimized Wellness podcast. I am your host, Toréa Rodriguez. And I'm joined by the lovely co host, Evie Takacs. Both of us our Functional Diagnostic Nutrition practitioners and we love working with women from all over the world, through our virtual programs, helping women not only feel better, but actually achieve that vibrant, no holds barred version of themselves, they've been missing for a long time, and how we actually get there. Well, that is what this show is all about. Now, please keep in mind that this podcast is created for educational purposes only and should never be used as a replacement for medical diagnosis or treatment. And if you like what you hear today, we would love for you to hit that follow button, leave a review in Apple podcast, share with your friends, and keep coming back for more. Let's start today's adventure shall we?
Cool, welcome back. So Evie, and I wanted to finish out Season Two and share some of our own personal takeaways. I think we both have experience where we listen to a lot of other podcasts or we see people on social media, other coaches, that kind of thing, even coaches that I've followed for many, many years. And there's a lot of advice out there, right. But even Evie, you posted about this so we can talk about it. But we as coaches, what does it look like when we're doing it? Right? So we wanted to talk a little bit about not only what our takeaways were, but what we actually bring over into our lives and utilize on a regular basis from all the things that we've talked about. And maybe a little bit of season one, mostly season two. But yeah, so Evie, you posted on social media recently this reel of like your health coach, and what your health coach is doing behind the scenes, you want to talk a little bit about that? Because that's kind of what sparked us doing some takeaways here.
Evie Takacs 3:21
Yeah, so you and I chatted a little bit of you knows, to be honest, it was in a moment of tiredness and exhaustion and frustration of like, I just don't know if people realize how hard we work behind the scenes, because I think it's so easy to think that, oh, well, they just go on walks all day, and they're just drinking matcha. And they're just, you know, going to the pool or like they're doing cold plunges. And it's easy to think that because yes, those are majority of the things that I share or you know, talk about, but there's a lot of work behind the scenes and the snippets of time, or images or videos that you're seeing on my social media, are they are carefully curated because I want them to be effective and meaningful to you. But there's a lot of things going on in between that time. Yeah, that I don't share much of and so you're like, Well, why don't you share that. And so, I was like, you know, how can I approach this in a way that doesn't sound like it's whiny Sure. Doesn't sound like it's complaining because I'm by no means complaining. It's just more of a, you know, this is a lot of work. And I think it's very easy to think that it's just all glamorous and all like, you know, expensive supplements and eating healthy food. And that's all there is no there's a lot of work that goes into it. Because the way that I tell my clients in particular is you know, I say it's not like I've reached a level of health and I just hang out there and I coast on by. I'm continuously working on my health every day. Yeah, just like you. I'm trying to lead from where I've been. So the things that I'm asking the same thing things that we ask our clients to do. We're doing as well. We're doing sunrise walks, we are doing mindfulness things we are doing the breath work, we are doing the parasympathetic activities, we are prepping our own food. We are saying no to fast food even though it really is convenient, right? Like we're doing all that stuff too. And so I really wanted to show this different perspective of you might see me walking and think, Oh, lucky her, but it's like I'm walking because I was sitting at my laptop doing zoom calls for seven hours. And I feel like
Toréa Rodriguez 5:16
Yeah, totally.
Evie Takacs 5:18
Or you might see like, oh, you know, you might think, Oh, look at her meal prepping. But it's like, Hey, I'm doing this because I did a stool test. And I know that I need this bacteria. I need this fiber. So I'm eating this. So it's like strategic thinking, or hey, like, you might see me doing breath work. But do you realize that that's breath work I'm doing because I have eight hours of calls. And I have three minutes in between. And so I'm just doing a little breath work to stay a little bit sane. You know, so it's things like that of it might look really nice. And wow, I wish I could have that. And it maybe you do feel that way. But again, there's always another side of the story. Yeah. And so, again, it's sharing that we're honestly we're busting ass just like you are, we're trying, we're trying to keep up with our health. And so I wanted to get that across of like, we know what the grind feels like, we know what the monotony of trying to be healthy feels like, we know that it can be very frustrating at times, we also know that it can feel so good. And so I was hoping to convey that in we get it we see you we know it because we're living it too.
Toréa Rodriguez 6:19
Absolutely, it's kind of like the Wizard of Oz. Right? It's the wizard, pulling back that curtain of what's really going on. And so to give you guys that effect, so to speak, we wanted to share our takeaways in two of the episodes. So today's gonna be Evie's turn, she's going to share some of her takeaways and what she's doing. But yeah, I think the ultimate message that we're trying to convey is that there will be times where it feels "impossible" with finger quotes to do all these things. But here's the lovely thing, you don't have to do all the things all the time. That's what's so cool about this. And so we'll get to share with you guys kind of how we incorporate this. And eventually, you're gonna get to a point where a lot of this stuff runs on automatic on autopilot, because it's just become a part of you. And I know Evie, you've mentioned that a couple times that some of this stuff is just a part of who you are now. Yeah. And so we can touch on some of those highlights. But what would you like to share? First, in terms of some of your takeaways from what we've talked about on the Wildly Optimized Wellness podcast so far?
Evie Takacs 7:25
Yeah, so I'm gonna touch a little bit on both seasons, primarily more with second season, just because that's more recent, and a little bit more of, I had newer perspectives, I guess, coming from this season. But season one, we did a lot of mindset stuff, which I've done a lot of because of you in the last couple of years. So it wasn't necessarily news or these new concepts to talk about those things, but having different guests on and then having you talk about it in a way that maybe I hadn't heard you verbalize before, that was very beneficial. So one thing in particular that comes to mind, and I know has been beneficial for listeners is the secondary gain episode with Megan.
Toréa Rodriguez 8:02
Yeah, it was a good one.
Evie Takacs 8:03
That episode really opened up my eyes. And it was a really good hard look and audit of myself of what is my secondary gain to X, Y, and Z, quote unquote, issue that I have? And I did a lot of and I still do, and I will continue to do a lot of self reflection on, is there something that maybe like, what is holding me back from taking that step? And, you know, talking to other women, and then thinking about it myself, I thought, I actually think that a lot of that is I don't truly believe that I'm worthy of having the things that I really want. And that I do think that I can accomplish, because it feels strange to be in that position to say, No, I can have that. Because it's not like I grew up with anyone telling me you can't I had very supportive parents in that way of the you know, they were realistic, but also supportive and very much, you know, you have a goal and you work on it, and you have to see it through. And so I grew up with that mindset. But the older that I've gotten, the more independent I've gotten from them in terms of taking risks and having my own money and all of that. I've gotten very shy in going for certain things, or I feel like I'm being held back. And I know that it's me, but I don't know why I'm holding myself back. So secondary gain has really helped, or the concept of secondary gain has helped me look at, you know, even though I'm uncomfortable where I am, what is keeping me comfortable enough to not change?
Toréa Rodriguez 9:27
Yeah, what is that thing that you're getting? What's the PRO out of the situation?
Evie Takacs 9:31
Yes, yeah. Because, you know, surface level, I'm like, Oh, I hate this. I can't wait to change, right. You know, I'm going to become this way. But there's still something deep down that is like, well, we benefit when you stay where you are. So let's just keep doing that.
Toréa Rodriguez 9:45
Yeah.
Evie Takacs 9:46
So I've had a lot of that personal exploration go on. And just that conversation with Megan was really, it was a really good detailed conversation and it broke it down and it gave me some good questions for myself. So that's been nice and then it's all So, you know, just hearing clients talk about that episode and how that's impacted them. I've been really, you know, happy to hear that too, because I think we all have these secondary gains. We all have these subconscious things that keep us where we are, even though we think it's uncomfortable. So that's been really good. So from a personal standpoint, and you know, where I want to go future wise, that episodes been really impactful.
Toréa Rodriguez 10:22
Yeah.
Evie Takacs 10:22
And then I'd also say that, you know, there was a lot of things about language and the way that we talked about things in that first season. And
Toréa Rodriguez 10:30
It's my favorite thing!
Evie Takacs 10:31
I think it was in the Where's Yeah, Where is Your Focus? I think it was that episode, where we were talking about reframing language. And instead of saying, I remember the day that we recorded, actually, I was like, all day long, I said, get to the office early, don't have tech issues, you don't want tech issues, get there early, avoid tech issues. And the second I sit down to record, I had tech issues. And that was the focus for that conversation was the language and how your brain is hearing tech issues, tech issues, where I could have been reframing it all day of this is going to be calm, I'm going to have plenty of time, I'm going to be focused, I'm going to feel relaxed. And so then my brain would have been hearing that and my body would have experienced that. So I've been very conscientious since that episode of instead of saying I don't want to be bloated, I'm just saying, you know, I feel really good or my pants fit nicely, or I feel comfortable in my body, rather than focusing in on the negative. Yeah. So I've been working really hard on that. And I actually, it's funny, because you actually start to notice this language and other people.
Toréa Rodriguez 11:35
Oh, yes, absolutely.
Evie Takacs 11:37
You know, it's not always appropriate to say something, you know, unsolicited advice. There's, there's a time and a place, I think, and the people that you can say this to, but
Toréa Rodriguez 11:45
Absolutely
Evie Takacs 11:45
I'm just like, curious of like, are you aware of how you're talking about this? Or are you aware that you're making this experience worse for yourself the way that you're talking about it? Or I don't really think it has to be that awful, but the way that you're saying it? No wonder it feels awful to you? Yeah. So that's been really interesting for me.
Toréa Rodriguez 12:07
Absolutely. I noticed that in people a lot. And so when I started paying attention to my own language, and paying attention to where my focus was, you start to notice in conversation where other people's focus is, and you recognize that, hmm, they're experiencing a lot of what their focus is on. And you're absolutely right, there's a time and a place, you can't just all of a sudden ask them like, Hey, do you recognize that you're focusing only in on that, like, there's a time and a place for these conversations? But it's interesting for me, because I think it's changed the way that I have conversations with people. I think I introduced curiosity a lot more in the sense where I will say something like, Hmm, is that possible that that's the only way that it could be, you know, just trying to introduce the idea that there could be a different perspective, or there could be a different possibility out of the same situation. Speaking of Megan, she just posted something on her social media where she took her daughters to one of the big theme parks, and they went on a roller coaster ride. And they were, you know, you get the tourist pictures of yourself on the roller coaster, right. And you see this snapshot of her daughter on the roller coaster car. And her daughter was sitting next to another girl and I can't remember if it was her sister or not. But I think it was her brother, something like that. I thought she said this was like her son and her daughter or some whatever, something like that. Yeah, so maybe cousins or something like that. So anyway, one face is like overjoyed, happy, excited, screaming, just having a great time. And her daughter's face is clearly very terrified, very scared, and very unhappy. And what was interesting about this picture is that it's a perfect example how the exact same situation can have completely opposite perspectives of the exact same event. Both people were very safe on this ride, you know, it's just one person thought it was thrilling, and the other person thought it was terrifying. And so that I keep in the back of my mind when it comes to this thing around focus. And when we're talking with other people, and we recognize their focus, I think that's the thing that I'll interject every now and then is like, hey, is there a different perspective here? You know, and see if I can get some curiosity without going into straight on coaching because unsolicited coaching is never never advised. Never wanted, right? Yeah.
Evie Takacs 14:36
Yeah, exactly. But that's such a good representation again, of like, the same situation on paper and in you know, whatever reality we want to call that. Everyone has their own lens, which they're viewing it through. And so yeah, for me, it might not be a big deal that such and such happened. But for someone else, it's the hugest deal right? That someone cut them off in traffic right? But to me, I'm Like why, right, like you still got to where you needed to go. So it's just that's been huge for me in terms of a takeaway from those two episodes from season one really stick out also, because I feel like they've had a personal impact on me that I now can then carry out into the world in the way that I show up in the way that I interact with other people. So those have been really impactful for me. And when it comes to season two, like I said, I, and I've probably said this in some episodes, but I love being outside, but I'm certainly not like, on your level in terms of you go camping, and you do you know, you have the RV and all that. And like, that's not me not to say that I wouldn't want that to be but I just don't have experience doing that. We never did that growing up. I don't have friends that do that. So I was a little like, I felt a little impostor syndrom-y sitting in with some of these guests, honestly, because I was like, What do I have to contribute? I mean, I have questions, because I'm very curious about it. But I don't, I don't feel like it's the same playing field. So that was really interesting for me, but I will say a couple episodes stick out and a couple it's really around guests. So when we had Heather's Choice on that was really interesting. Because
Toréa Rodriguez 16:10
Heather Kelly, from Heather's Choice.
Evie Takacs 16:13
Yes. Because one, I think she's really interesting as a person. And her perspective, I felt like we aligned on a lot of things, and just the way that we like, why it's important to eat great food, and why it's important to not have, you know, crappy packaged food. And just to hear someone say that so confidently, because I was actually just having this conversation with Danny. So this is a little bit not so much a tangent, but I was having this conversation of why do I sometimes feel like I'm being shamed for wanting to be healthy?
Toréa Rodriguez 16:43
Hmm.
Evie Takacs 16:44
You know, there's like fat shaming, but then there's also fit shaming
Toréa Rodriguez 16:48
Interesting.
Evie Takacs 16:48
And I struggle with that sometimes, because I don't share certain things with people, because I don't want to make them uncomfortable for the way that I'm living, because it's so different than what they're doing. So I go back and forth of, well, I don't want to not share that I'm doing this for my health, or I don't want to not share that I go to the gym, and that I am diligent and that I do get my workouts in. Like that, to me is self care at its core. And so to hear Heather talk about it in a very confident way of we should be eating this type of food. And this is important and ingredients matter and sourcing matters and you know, taking care of our bodies matter and, you know, eating to fuel for your day and to fuel for the life that you want to live. Yeah, that to me was like giving me permission to do that as well. Yeah, because I, I feel like I hold back from some of that conversation publicly in terms of like, on my social media, because, you know, I'm like, Well, I don't know if this will be taken in the wrong way or whatever. But a lot of what she was saying I really agree with and that the food should be there to fuel what we want to do. And food should not be the sole focus of the day. And there's some questions to be asked if you're always thinking about your next meal. And so I just appreciated the confidence and the, you know, the openness of that conversation, because it allowed me to feel like okay, like, again, there's another person that feels this way. So again, there's another person to kind of group into, hey, like, I'm not so much of an outcast, for wanting to talk about this.
Toréa Rodriguez 18:16
Yeah.
Evie Takacs 18:16
So that felt really good. And then just in general, the product is really interesting. And I remember on the episode, maybe we were talking about it on the episode while we recorded or it was after I said, Well, you know, I don't know where I would have these. And you're like airplane food.
Toréa Rodriguez 18:28
Oh, yeah, totally!
Evie Takacs 18:28
And so I'm totally going to stock up on some of this with my summer trip. Yeah, and get some of this food already. I have friends that do some backpacking. And so I'm sending them the link of like, Hey, I don't know what you currently use. But like, definitely check this out. Yeah. So just from a resource standpoint, I'm excited about that. And that was really cool to learn about,
Toréa Rodriguez 18:47
I think what's really interesting about what you just said, right, is that food has a way of bringing up a lot of like, emotions, a lot of judgment, self judgment, a lot of habitual ways of thinking, or, you know, habitual ways of just doing and prepping the food. And it's basic, at our core, it's one of our needs. It's one of our basic needs, right? Food, shelter, water air, like, that's basically what it comes down to, and, and being able to have a conversation with somebody who, you know, you and I work in the health coaching field. So we talk to people all day long about food or around what is eating healthy look like for that particular individual. So we talked about it a lot. But then, you know, out in public, there are so many different ways of talking about food, right, that it can really cause us to take a second guess as to what we're going to say, you know, my husband and I, we spent the weekend driving to Oregon and we stopped in a location to you know, fuel up the vehicles and it was interesting because it was in a different economic sector than what we typically our in. And where we happen to stop was next to this big giant like department store called Fred Meyer. And I haven't been into a Fred Meyer for a long time. But it was fascinating because, you know, you walk in there and it's like a bunch of fast food and a bunch of convenience food and that kind of thing. I think, you know, just food in general, is one of those core things that can spark a lot of debate, a lot of angst or judgment around. But it's also one of those things that we can become obsessed with. Yeah, right. And so you and I also noticed that there's a lot of people who come into eating healthy and can get into that disordered eating situation, right, and all of a sudden have disordered eating in one way or another orthorexia is the most common form, which is to be like, yeah, I gotta be a perfectionist about my food, and there's no other way I can live, which is a prison in itself. Right? So, you know, really working through those kinds of things. But it was fun to have Heather come on, because she really came from a physical fitness perspective, right? That was her thing. She was rowing as a young girl in college and was always concerned about the number of calories that she was getting, but then didn't understand about the quality of the calories. And so that's really what spurred her life's work. Yeah, is making food available to people in situations that it's harder to get food when you're in the back country, or when you're in the wilderness and that kind of thing. So that's where her company has grown. But yeah, you can definitely most definitely use her meals on on the airplane, or wherever you're in a place where you need something that is quick and convenient. And right. It just requires boiling water. It's awesome.
Evie Takacs 21:44
Yeah, yeah. And we know one thing that I didn't even plan to talk about until you started mentioning, the conversation with her was, you know, like, I do get it I, for years had disordered eating habits. I was never properly diagnosed, because it's not like I had and I didn't have anorexia, but me it was more of a binge eating. It was binge eating patterns and behaviors. And I struggled with that for years. And so I think I can talk about it so confidently, and so passionately, because I know that it's possible to overcome. If someone were to talk to me about it, when I was in the thick of it, I'd be like, Well, that's nice for you. But I that's just not I can't do that, or that's not for me, right? But because I know and now I'm out of that mindset of constantly thinking about my next meal. That's why I can talk about it in this way. And so now I'm thinking back on that conversation with Heather as well, it was that, I think hearing her talk about her coming out of the disordered eating that she had. And just like that mind consumption of feeling so overwhelmed and consumed with what she was eating. Again, that was another evidence of like, hey, like, someone else went through it, and they get it to like, that's pretty cool.
Toréa Rodriguez 22:54
Yeah.
Evie Takacs 22:54
Because when you are someone who's been overweight, or has had disordered eating, or whatever relationship to food, whatever it is, and then someone who's never gone through that starts talking, you're like, Okay, I appreciate it. But like, you really don't know what it's like. And so to hear it from someone who does know what it's like, I think that was what was also very worth the takeaway for me is like, hey, like, there's someone else who gets it, and use it the same way that I do. And that's pretty cool. Yeah, so I think that's why it was, that was a big thing for me, along with the actual, this is a resource, and I can use and share with people.
Toréa Rodriguez 23:26
So awesome.
Evie Takacs 23:27
That was good. And then the other one that like a specific episode for me, and then I want to kind of summarize what this all means, as a whole kind of at the macro level, is the Sunlight Inside, we interviewed Konrad as the owner of Sunlight Inside. That was very interesting to me. Because one, just in general, the concept of those lamps is amazing. And I can't wait to get one for myself. And two just, I think what really struck me for that is like, this guy really cares that much that he decided to, like, start building these things and making these things for other people. Yeah. And he's using his talents and his skill, and his knowledge on this to help other people. And that was really inspiring to me. And you could just tell it, he was very in to it, and that something that he loves, and just the fact that that's available, and it's at a mean, sure it's not 20 bucks, but like, you're also not you're getting really amazing product, like it's fairly reasonable priced. I mean, you know, compared to some of the other things that are out there.
Toréa Rodriguez 24:29
Absolutely.
Evie Takacs 24:29
So I thought, wow, if this is available to the public, and we think of how different humans could be if we all got on top of this, you know, I mean, I'm trying to get people to do this sunrise walks, circadian rhythm walks. I mean, I'm trying hard. But I mean, if they could have these lamps all day, just think of how different we would feel as a culture. Yeah, if we did that, because I don't see the culture here in the US stopping from the grind that it's in. I mean, I think that's going to continue but if we could get that, that sunlight inside My gosh, how different would people's behavior be? Or their mood? Or just their health in general?
Toréa Rodriguez 25:06
Absolutely.
Evie Takacs 25:06
So that just made me think like, wow, this is rather accessible for a lot of people, or at least it could be accessible in several months of saving or whatever. Sure. And like, just the the return on investment on that, like, that's amazing to me. So I got really excited when I heard that of like, wow, this is this is really something that could change a lot of people's lives.
Toréa Rodriguez 25:28
Yeah. I love your perspective on it. Because, you know, Konrad is so knowledgeable, and I was so excited that he agreed to come on to the podcast and talk about the details. Because you know, when I was looking for a circadian rhythm enhancing lamp for Seasonal Affectiveness Disorder to be quite honest, I'm I'm quite susceptible to it, and can get really blue in the winter when I don't get enough light. That's why I was looking for it. This was before me understanding, you know, all the different light spectra and how they had an effect on our hormones and everything else, right. But in my own, shopping around and looking around and realizing that once again, this is another industry that is not well regulated, and the terminology isn't equivalent across the board, and how do I make sense of this across all the different marketing pages? It was really great to have him come on and talk about it and have that clarity be explained so that I could be a smart consumer. But you're absolutely right, like expanding that out in the ripple effect. If, if more people had access to the outdoor light, right, that's really what we're talking about is just getting outdoor light or full spectrum light as much as they can. It really can change the way that we are personally, but then also how we communicate with other people in our community and everything else. So it is quite a wonderful ripple effect to think about the potential that this has. So yeah, nice takeaway.
Evie Takacs 26:58
Definitely. Yeah. So that was that was really interesting. And just kind of as a summary, from what we've done so far, which I mean, like, let's take it like we've done some amazing things. We've talked to some amazing people. I mean, this is so cool that we've done this, we're at the end of season two already. I mean, yeah, like congratulations to us. We've worked really hard on this. And you've done a lot of things like putting show notes together. And like just, I mean, it's amazing. So I want to, I guess, celebrate us in that way.
Toréa Rodriguez 27:28
I'm always down for a celebration, you know, me, I like to celebrate a lot.
Evie Takacs 27:32
Yes, yeah, definitely. So kind of to summarize, I would say, people are out here doing amazing work, like, you know, I mentioned a few of the people we talked to, I mean, they really are there, they're really trying to make things accessible to other people to better their lives. And I find that really inspiring. And so anytime I get to hear of a business or a brand that's doing that, that motivates me to continue doing what I'm doing and wanting to continue to serve other people in that way. So I think that's just more of a gosh, like, how many other people do I not know of that are doing things like this, and I can't wait to learn about and I can't wait to learn about their products. So something like that. But then when it boils down to is we get in our way, a lot. And a lot of the resources to actually get better, are very accessible to us. You know, we use the term free medicine, right sunlight, walking outside forest bathing, taking your shoes off and putting your feet in the ground like, yeah, we just get in the way of our own selves feeling better most of the time. And so these episodes that we've done, and these people that we've talked to have just reminded me of like, it doesn't have to be that complicated all the time, right? I mean, sometimes sure, like, Yeah, let's run the lab, let's figure out what's going on from that level. But at its core, I've been falling away from the simplicity of just feeling better, because I'm not using these free medicines or not engaging in them as much as I used to. So it's brought back an awareness for me of hey, like, I haven't gone and stepped outside in the grass in a while or, you know, I haven't done a morning walk in four days. And no wonder I feel kind of sleepy. Or I stayed up and watched TV until 1030. Last night. No wonder I don't feel great. You know, it's like all these things that, yeah, where I'm like, wait a second, like let's rewind. And so to me, and I don't when I say we get in our own way and all of that. I say that almost as a hopeful thing of, hey, if I'm the one getting my own way, then I can just step aside. So that feels really empowering. To me, it feels more empowering. And this is kind of based on a conversation you and I had privately this weekend of is this happening to you or for you? Yeah. And so it's that am I going to play victim and say, Oh poor me like I don't feel good or I'm too tired. Or it's like well, huh, why did I stay up late right, getting that curiosity involved? And then saying well, okay, what can I do to change this? So then you get this empowerment and you're ultimately the one making the choice and the change. So that's been kind of a mindset shift in general that I'm still working on. It's not fine tuned at all. But it's I'm definitely putting in more reps for that. Yeah. And so it's becoming easier and easier each time.
Toréa Rodriguez 30:11
It's cool, because you know, what you're really talking about is a concept that I will bring forward to clients every now and then, which is this concept of cause versus effect. And the effects side of things is the stuff is happening to me, these circumstances are happening to me, I'm living in effect or in response to what's happening in my life. The opposite is also true, is cause where we can be in the mindset of what is happening. Is there something there that I can take responsibility for, like not taking advantage of free resources because it seems impossibly easy. So how on earth would that make a difference? Right? You know, it's like, is there a way that we can be operating in a world where we are the cause of these things? So we're proactively taking actions on things as opposed to being reactive to our environment. And it's really a simple perspective shift. It has nothing to do with, there's no like judgment of whether or not well, that person's living in effect all the time, therefore, their victim, blah, blah, blah, like, that's not necessarily, it's not a bad thing. It's an awareness thing. We all do it. This is human nature. Yeah, sometimes we're in effect. And sometimes we're in cause. What I've found, though, is that growth and transformation and making changes in the world like Konrad was in cars, when he made that sunlight lamp, he couldn't find what he wanted. So he decided to take responsibility and build it himself. And he got some other people to help him with it. And they got resourceful. But he was able to build these lamps because he wanted to be in cars, as opposed to just leave it to the fact that there wasn't what he could find. So he was just going to be, you know, subject to his current weather system in his location to get natural light outside, right. So it's that kind of thinking that cause versus effect kind of thinking. And I'm sure we could do a full episode on this. So I don't want to get too far down this path.
Evie Takacs 32:15
Oh yeah I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. So those are kind of my big takeaways. I mean, love it. I could go on forever. I'm very reflective. So if I really I could do one on each episode, but I thought those were kind of the big ones that hit me as, as I was preparing for this. I was thinking like, you know, what, what are the ones that I tend to go back to a lot in my mind, and those were the ones that I tend to recirculate and think about and seem to have the most impact on me?
Toréa Rodriguez 32:43
Well, this is this is awesome. And we're gonna come back and do this again next week with my takeaways from the last couple of seasons and share with you kind of some of the things that I'm implementing in my life, too. So I'm excited for that. But thank you, Abby, for giving us your summary and what you're thinking about currently, and yeah, we'll see you guys next time.
Evie Takacs 33:02
Thank you. I'm glad I got to share Yeah.
Toréa Rodriguez 33:09
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