Dynamic Movement | S2E3 (E013)
This week, Evie and Toréa expand the definition of exercise beyond what happens at the gym, how getting dynamic and more natural movement throughout the day can actually change your DNA expression on the cellular level. So for those that need another compelling reason to get outside, or you just want to have an excuse to play and climb that tree over there, have a listen!
In This Episode
What to do when you’re told you can’t use your previous form of exercise (03:16)
What’s your Butt to Chair ratio? (07:35)
Increasing movement variety to increase ranges of motion (10:53)
Toddlers having intrinsic perfect squat form (16:12)
Mechanotransduction (18:32)
Building new neural pathways to correct movement overcompensation (24:09)
Resources mentioned
Transcript
Toréa Rodriguez 0:08
Welcome to the Wildly Optimized Wellness podcast. I am your host, Toréa Rodriguez. And I'm joined by the lovely co host, Evie Takacs. Both of us our Functional Diagnostic Nutrition practitioners and we love working with women from all over the world, through our virtual programs, helping women not only feel better, but actually achieve that vibrant, no holds barred version of themselves, they've been missing for a long time, and how we actually get there. Well, that is what this show is all about. Now, please keep in mind that this podcast is created for educational purposes only and should never be used as a replacement for medical diagnosis or treatment. And if you like what you hear today, we would love for you to hit that follow button, leave a review in Apple podcast, share with your friends, and keep coming back for more. Let's start today's adventure shall we?
Okay, welcome back to another episode of the Wildly Optimized Wellness Podcast. Today we're going to talk about movement and how movement is such an important part of wellness in general. But then we're going to kind of spin it on its head a little bit and talk about movement and how it relates to the outdoor environment and why that can be a very critical way of adding to somebody's healing plan or adding to their wellness, overall strategy, or healing from chronic illness. So we'll definitely touch on all of those points today. But I guess I just want to start out, Evie when you think of movement, what, what comes to mind?
Evie Takacs 1:48
Well..
Toréa Rodriguez 1:49
What's movement for you?
Evie Takacs 1:50
Movement for me, I want to say moving my body, which sounds so obvious, but I I also think of strength training, lifting weights, because that's been my thing for the past 10 years. So when I think of movement, immediately, I'm like, oh, strength training, lifting weights,
Toréa Rodriguez 2:04
right.
Evie Takacs 2:05
And I've just recently started to shift into movement as so many other things, too. So that's kind of I'm in this transition right now currently, myself for my own movement, my own movement strategy, and all of that.
Toréa Rodriguez 2:17
Exactly. And we'll definitely dive into some of those things. But you coined it right? It's like, the first thing we think about is strength training, or going on a run or going on a bike ride or doing some form of physical exercise. Because when I grew up, and I'm pretty sure it was the same for you, like, when we thought about movement, it was PE class. Yes, that was it was the physical education class, that's when we got quote, unquote, exercise. And that is what movement was. And I read a very mind blowing book or mind expanding book, many, many years ago when I was dealing with chronic illness. And this was after my practitioner basically told me to hang up the bike for a while, I think we've touched on this in previous episodes, but I used to cycle a lot throughout the week and do a lot of endurance cycling. And when I was told I couldn't use that form of exercise I was kind of left with,
Evie Takacs 3:16
yeah
Toréa Rodriguez 3:16
Ugh, now what? what do I do? you know, I can't become a couch potato OB...viouslyyy, that would be the wrong response to that. And the suggestion was walking. And that felt very boring. To me walking, why would I want to walk. And I stumbled across this book called Move your DNA by Katy Bowman. And she is a what's considered a bio mechanist. And so she studies the way that we move our bodies, and she wrote this book, I want to say it was somewhere around 2010 2011 when it came out, and I was reading it. And what she was explaining was such an amazing way of looking at movement versus exercise. And that most of us look at exercise. And it's kind of this small, little encompassing circle of certain types of exercises, right, that we do to get physical activity, but doesn't really look at the whole picture of movement, like, how are we physically moving our body to get out of bed? How are we bending down into that cabinet to reach the pot that we need to cook our dinner, you know, those kinds of movements, and she started to look at movement as a much more encompassing circle of which exercise was in the middle and looking at all those different variations of movement and how that was relating to the body. And you said that you were in this transition, of being aware of these other movements. Tell us a little bit more about that.
Evie Takacs 4:45
Yeah, like I said, the past 10 years I've been exclusively strength training, you know, my husband was a strength coach is a strength coach. And so that's how I met him. He was my personal trainer. And so I fell in love with strength training and just the cool things I felt physically in my body. And when I find something that I like that I am good at, I'm going to continue it. And I had a lot of success with it. So why would I stop? But it wasn't until the past few years that I started working with functional medicine practitioners, holistic health coaches, that I learned about your adrenal health and how you know, that can impact your Hashimotos. And then that's also because of things that you're doing daily, right? When I first did my first DUTCH, we looked at the cortisone, we looked at my adrenal health. And we got a glimpse of that. And it was like, I was really depleted. And I was strength training five days a week at that time and doing a few high intensity interval training circuits for cardio. And when I saw that on paper, I was like, that's why I feel like garbage. So it finally clicked for me. And so it's been hard to let go. Because again, when you like something so much, and you feel like it's doing really good for you, or it's doing really good things for you, it's hard to stop.
Toréa Rodriguez 5:54
Yeah.
Evie Takacs 5:55
But in this transition, the more I learned about my own body health and what makes sense for me, in this moment of my life, I can't do that anymore, I can't do that level of exercise. And that's really hard for me to admit. But I have to accept it, because my body does tend to do better, with lower amounts of strength training throughout the week, you know, still doing it, but I'm much better with the intensity, I'm exploring things like walking more like I've gotten really into walking, I do that every morning, I try and do it throughout the day, little 10 minute bursts of walks, I'll do lighter type of cardio, instead of like doing sprints, or jump rope every time, I will do things like elliptical or walking or something like that just to change it up. So that's been my progression. And it mainly stemmed from finally accepting that part of the reason I felt like garbage was because of what I was doing for my own movement. And being really stuck in that mindset of it has to be this way, because it has been all these years. So that's kind of the transition that I'm going through and learning to accept and let go and finding really cool things to do that are just as challenging, but they're not as intense. And so you get just the same amount of benefit. But I'm not burning myself into the ground by doing that.
Toréa Rodriguez 7:04
Right. And one of the things that Katy would argue about doing it in that way of doing the strength training a certain number of weeks and doing the hit cycles a couple of times a week and do it repeating those same movements over and over is that you're only expressing a certain range of motion in your body, as opposed to all the possible ranges in the body. And she talks about this interesting concept in this book, in how our environment has shaped the way that we move. And so she talks about the butt to chair ratio in your house. If you have ever, like stopped to think about that for a minute, how many butts live in your house? And how many chairs or seating places or resting places do they have? It's quite embarrassing.
Evie Takacs 7:51
Right. Yeah!
Toréa Rodriguez 7:52
Right. There's dining room table. There's some stools, there's office chair,
Evie Takacs 7:56
Couches
Toréa Rodriguez 7:57
beds, and couches, and a beanbag maybe, or whatever. Like, there's a lot of places for the body to be at rest, and be in that same geometric shape. Right. And the same kind of thing. Like if we're on the treadmill all the time, right? That treadmill is a different type of moving the body and the muscles in the legs compared to walking outside. And most people are like, well, it's walking. Walking is walking. But her argument is that the belt is already in motion. So our legs aren't actually pushing backwards, to propel us forwards nearly as much as when we are out walking on the street. So it's still different. And so the body's reaction to that is very different. And so that was one of her arguments is really paying attention to how much of this motion are we doing. And these movement behaviors that we do are on repeat, and not really expressing the full range of movement that we have available.
Evie Takacs 8:59
Yeah, it's so true. It's so true. We that made me think of there's like these memes that I've seen over the years of, you know, why do you drive to a gym to walk on a treadmill? You know, it's kind of funny of like, we could just be doing this outside, you know, most of us right are some of us, it depends on where you live. But ideally, you're you're getting this free exercise free movement, free medicine, right outside your door. So I often think about that of and part of that transition to I want to go back to that because maybe this can resonate with someone who's listening. But I've gotten along with getting out of the mindset of it has to be in a gym, I've been doing a lot of outdoor workouts the past really year, year and a half of if it's nice out again, I'm in Cincinnati, I'm in the Midwest. So anytime it's nice that I'm going to take advantage of it and we have a bunch of stuff here at home like a garage gym, essentially. And so I'll load up my car and which is a workout itself right? I will load up my car with all the weights and the barbells and all that and I will take it to a local park and I'll Just workout in the grass barefoot, and it feels amazing. And that to me feels much more intuitive movement than going in the gym and doing these things basically up and down, up and down or walking on the treadmill or doing this. So that's been really cool to is. And I think we're going to get into that of how to how to do more movement that is more natural and intuitive for the body and how you can actually challenge your body in this way. And so I just thought that was something to mention, because that's part of me transitioning out of being in such a box literally working out in the gym, and then realizing like, well, it feels better to be outside. And this feels more natural. And this feels more in season. And so I want to do that. So that's been really cool for me to experience and see the changes in my workouts. Even if I don't do the exact work that I plan to do in the in the gym, if I do something completely different outside, it's still effective, and it feels really good. So that's hopefully what you know, more people are starting to think of and pick up on as well.
Toréa Rodriguez 10:53
Yeah, it's pretty cool that you use that as an example. Because right then in there, you're taking your kettlebell or whatever it is, instead of like picking it up off of the ground and starting to do kettlebell swings, you're literally picking it up, schlepping it out to the car, lifting it probably higher to get it into your trunk than you would normally you know, so you're using your body in a much different way. Yeah, which is the variety that is really key and changing it up is part of what she her concept is, is getting that movement variety. So just like we have, well, most of us have an emphasis on nutrition variety, right, you want to get optimal nutrition, get a lot of variety of fruits and vegetables, and legumes and different kinds of meats. And don't be in this like chicken, broccoli, coconut oil rut all the time, like, you want to make sure that you're getting this variety, this same thing is happening with movement. And that's where, for me, it ties into the outdoors really nicely. Because when we're in an natural environment, we're not on a treadmill that's going to move in the same way all the time. We're, you know, reacting to the environment, it invites us to do other kinds of movements, especially if we're not on pavement and more on natural grass, like bumpy, Lumpy grass, or, you know, walking on a trail that has very different terrain on it, that's gonna invite a whole different style of movement, than if we were just walking to and from our car or to you know, to and from the living room and back to the office or whatever that happens to be like, working from home has been a challenge for me, because I want to try and vary up my movement. So even though I record in this room, I don't work in this room all the time, I'm constantly changing where sometimes I'm in the kitchen, sometimes I'm sitting on the floor, you know, those kinds of things so that I can change up the movement all the time.
Evie Takacs 12:55
Yeah, definitely. I become a lot more aware of that I, I was in the mindset, again, it's just funny to reflect back on the version of Evie, before I knew you and you know, obviously here today, and I would work all day. And then I would say that, you know, I would go to the gym for like an hour. And I was like, oh, there's my movement. But I wasn't active outside of working. Right. You know, I was a teacher. So I was moving around a bit during the day. But I was also I was an intervention specialist. So that means that I didn't have my own class all the time. So sometimes I'd be sitting in the back of a room, working one on one with a student. So it wasn't like I was moving around as much as someone else. And so it was like I just thought, well, I of course I moved today I went to the gym for an hour, but it's like there's so much more movement outside of that, that I wasn't getting. And so now i That's why I place an emphasis. If I have a 10 minute break somewhere, I will go outside, I have a stop sign that's perfectly to walk there and walk back. It's about eight to 10 minutes, depending how fast I go. Perfect. And that's my little landmark that I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna do my 10 minute break, get my brain a break and my eyes a break from the screen, get some sunlight. So that's been a huge too. And it does make such a difference to do that it feels much more natural. Again, I think that's the theme I'm kind of coming up with in this episode of This feels so much more natural to me than what I was doing in that rigid mindset that I have because it was also given me a rigid body. It was a lot more stiff back then too.
Toréa Rodriguez 14:18
Absolutely. Yeah, it's interesting because there's a whole movement of people in the exercise space or natural movement space that are focusing on exactly that natural movement, right so getting people used to squatting again, we didn't used to have so many places to park our butts comfortably right maybe a log but usually you're squatting. So squatting, and walking and climbing up things, climbing up trees, climbing up rocks, those kinds of things as a way to produce physical fitness that is beyond the lifting of the weights and doing the bench presses and doing the cycling miles and all of those different things keep us in that same repetitive movement, so by us, you know, looking towards natural movement that helps our whole fitness regime change, which then, you know, can play into roles into our cellular health. And we'll get into that in a little bit later. But that kind of natural movement is one of those things that inspires me to get outside because when I'm outside, that's when I'm responding in a way that feels like natural movement.
Evie Takacs 15:27
Yeah, I agree.
Toréa Rodriguez 15:29
Yeah. So being in those kinds of terrains, for me, anyway, is really important. So when I do a walk, for example, you've got your stop sign and back, right, I've mapped out a couple of different neighborhood walks, that are all uniquely different in their terrain. So one might be going up and down stairs, or one might be going down, you know, the street, and then finding some patches of dirt or grass that I'm walking on instead of it always be in the sidewalk, you know, I don't want to be doing the same thing over and over and over again. And so that's when I'm looking for the outdoors to kind of guide me when I'm looking for natural movement and that kind of variety.
Evie Takacs 16:12
Yeah, in one thing you said that made me think of my so I have three nephews, my littlest one, he's almost two. And watching him squat. I'm like, we knew what like we know how to do it. We were made that way. Like, right, like they those babies, they have the best squat form. And it's just funny because we do fall so far from it. So with a lot of episodes that we've recorded that we talk about with clients, it's, it's always getting back to the way we were supposed to be living the way we were supposed to be eating the way we're supposed to be moving. Because I just think of that, like, we start out doing that perfectly, like the squat is so good on little kids. And the distribution of weight is perfect, right? They're not like aching, their their knees aren't hurting like they're doing it properly, their hips are open up the right way. But we tend to fall so far away from that. And I think a lot of this is because we fall away from that dynamic movement that we've been talking about.
Toréa Rodriguez 17:04
Absolutely. I've worked with a movement coach for a while. And one of the exercises that we ended up working on so I worked with him for a good, I would say 12 to 14 months. And we didn't start here. Yeah, we started with the foot, like moving my big toe off the floor. Like that's where we started. But where we ended was really working on my squat skills. And I was like, Oh, I know how to squat. And he's like, alright, squat, and then I would immediately fall over, you know, so it's like, Oh, apparently, I'm not like your nephew. And I can't just sit in a squat for an extended period of time, like they can play with their toys and a squat for a long period of time. Adults usually can maybe get into a squat position, but they can't get their heels down. You know, there's not a lot of balance there. So we have to work at those skills again. But yeah, it's these natural movements that we used to do when we weren't surrounded by an environment that kept us in like limited motion, so to speak, like she'll look at the houses and the cars and the buildings and all of those things is further examples of us limiting our motion. Really,
Evie Takacs 18:17
Yeah.
Toréa Rodriguez 18:18
She also talks a lot about this other definition. And this is something that really piqued my interest, and got me interested more in this kind of movement, which is mechanotransduction. And mechanotransduction is basically it's the way that our cells interpret the mechanical inputs that come from our movement. And our cells will interpret that, and it will use these integrins and integrins are these membrane spanning globular proteins. So it's a protein that will span through the cell membrane, right? So these, these integrans will interpret that mechanical movement from our movement, and actually change the way our DNA expresses. So the moment she said that I was like, oh, light bulbs went off. Okay, how we move is just as important in the way that our genes express themselves. So our epigenetics, right, our environment helps us express our genes. So we talk a lot about how our food does this, how environmental toxins do this, you know, all of these different kinds of things, but also the mechanical movement helps us express ourselves in a different way. And that was something that really helped me understand that, oh, how we move especially if we're trying to heal from a chronic illness or we might not be able to lift weights, or go ride a bike for 10 miles. You know, if we're not in that space, we can still get just as much of a bonus from the way that we move within our homes to help ourselves regenerate and express the DNA differently. Does that make sense?
Evie Takacs 20:03
Yeah, definitely. That makes a lot of sense. Actually, again, everything's connected. And that would, that would make sense that it would influence us in that way, just based on our movement in the way that we're switching it up.
Toréa Rodriguez 20:14
Yeah. And if you think about it, from a biomechanical standpoint, right, when you put your foot on the ground, that pressure that gets elicited on your foot itself, then leads towards the ankle, the ankle is going to make its own accommodations or adjustments to how it's interpreting that movement, which then leads to your knee and then your hip. And then, you know, it goes all the way up the chain, from a physical standpoint, but then it goes intracellularly, too. And this is one of the reasons why she talks about varied terrain and having things be not the same so that we can stimulate the cells in a lot of different ways. Yeah, hopefully that makes sense.
Evie Takacs 20:59
Yes, it does. Yeah. I'm interested in this book, now.
Toréa Rodriguez 21:02
It's Oh, it's, it's fascinating, fascinating book.
Evie Takacs 21:05
yes,
Toréa Rodriguez 21:06
I mean, it's, it's, um, it's one of the reasons why when I'm standing here recording this with you, and you see me shifting my weight. It's because there's a mat underneath me that has different elevations, like it's got bumps and things on it so that I'm physically moving all the time, as opposed to just standing still. Right. So have you heard the term standing is the new smoking?
Evie Takacs 21:31
Yes. Yeah.
Toréa Rodriguez 21:32
Right. Because we all were like, oh, we can't sit all day long. Let's get standing desks and stand all day long. Right. So now we're standing but we're standing in a fixed position, sort of knees are locked and our feet are flat, and our elbows are, you know, perfectly 90 degrees, because somebody came and did an ergonomics review of your desk. So it's perfect, right? You're not aiming for that, right? But really, what is important is constantly shifting, and constantly moving and having that be different, which is part of the reason why my movement coach started with the feet.
Evie Takacs 22:06
Yeah, so important
Toréa Rodriguez 22:08
We started with just rehabilitating the feet because that was the basis. And then we started improving the form of my walk. And for months, he had me walking backwards.
Evie Takacs 22:21
Yeah, yeah, there's so much there. I've learned a lot about the feet. There's actually I think she's fairly popular. A physical therapist and her social media page and probably her website. I'm not for sure. But it's called Gait Happens.
Toréa Rodriguez 22:35
Oh, fun.
Evie Takacs 22:35
And she's all about feet. All About feet. And how because again, that's so foundational, no pun intended to your to your movement and your body. But yeah, I mean, you're right on the feet is so important, are the feet are so important in the way that they move. And because then you said goes to their ankles and the knees and the hips and walking backwards. actually really interesting, too. I know that that can relieve some back pain for some people, especially if they're maybe doing like a backward sled pull. Because you're kind of restructuring the way that your body is moving instead of like having a certain tilt when you're walking forward. You have a different tilt when you walk backwards. So sometimes that can alleviate some pain. So that's really cool that you were doing that with your coach.
Toréa Rodriguez 23:13
Yeah, I mean, for our purpose. We were working on knee rehabilitation. So I had an old knee injury that caused a lot of compensations throughout my body over the years. And we were trying to rehabilitate that overcompensation. So the knee has long since healed. Yeah, there is no injury there. There hasn't been for decades, but my body compensated in a way and basically kept this overcompensation going and that would lead towards other problems, lower back pain, et cetera, et cetera. So we were really working on rehabilitating the knee. And one of the best ways to do that is to go backwards because your brain doesn't think about walking backwards in the same way as it does walking forward. So we were basically, re, I guess you could think about it is lighting up the areas of the brain thinking about motion, in a backwards direction allowed the brain to identify, oh, there's alignment here that I didn't think was here before.
Evie Takacs 24:10
Yeah.
Toréa Rodriguez 24:10
And then I was able to get that to be rehabilitated by going forward. So kind of fascinating stuff with how the brain works and movement works with the cellular pieces of it and how we can heal using motion in a way that's just very different than exercise.
Evie Takacs 24:28
Right, right.
Toréa Rodriguez 24:29
One other thing that she was talking about is the way that well, Katy, she and my movement coach both talked about this a lot is the way that our feet are restricted inside shoes, right? I used to, I used to wear heels, lot and elevated boots like heeled boots and stuff. And of course I was realizing that that's probably one of the worst things to do for my feet because I'm like shoving my toes and crowding my toes. But the way that Katy describes it is that the shoe restricts our movement and keeps us doing maybe 10% of the foots ability to adapt to the environment around it. And so how that works is that forces the ankle to overcompensate and do all the work, right. And so her description of that really got me to understand, Oh, if I quote unquote, free up my feet a little bit, and start learning how to walk barefoot on the grass, or, you know, just really allow my feet to start moving in response to the environment and the earth underneath them, that that will change the way that my feet are able to do their job that they were designed to do over centuries and millennia, right. But yeah, it changes the feet altogether.
Evie Takacs 25:46
Yeah, the feet, I've gotten so fascinated by that. There's a lot of barefoot type shoes out there. over the summertime, I bought a pair of Vivos. And they were my first pair because I was always a little honestly self conscious with my feet, because I felt like my toes were on top of each other. So people who aren't watching the video won't see. But I felt like my toes were always kind of crowding each other and my baby toe and the the fourth toe, were always kind of jammed and kind of curled up on each other. And I just thought, Oh, well, that just must be the way that I am are also years of squatting, right talking about my history of squatting so much. And probably me trying to grip the ground, I would like curl my toes in to try and grip the ground a little bit for my footing when I was squatting. And so a lot of theories, right, I don't know exactly what's there. But I also know that I was wearing tight shoes. I mean, think of flats right? When those came in those little ballerina flats and just high heels in general. And most women's shoes are very narrow. And really, if you think back, like we've talked about the human foot should, the toes should be spread apart, there should be some gaps in between, you should be able to you should have an arch to your foot, your foot should not be narrow. And we're seeing that there's other issues throughout the body when your feet are like this. And so I decided, You know what, I'll give it a try. I'll do these vivo barefoot, I bought them. And so that was in August. I know it was August, I was my first time wearing them. And I have two pairs now and I primarily wear those. I also stopped wearing tight slippers in the house because I used to do that. So now more barefoot or with just socks that aren't tight in house. And it's so funny. This week, I realized I looked down at my feet. And I was like, Oh, I have I have space between my toes. What? like this is actually working
Toréa Rodriguez 27:29
Amazing. Yeah,
Evie Takacs 27:30
this is actually working. And it's funny because I also don't feel like I have as much tightness in my foot and or in my hips. And that could be for a whole bunch of other reasons. But I have to think that something's related to the way that my foot is working better and moving better because it's not so jam cramped up in the shoe. So that's really cool to see my feet actually expand. And I talked to someone who he walks barefoot a lot, even like in the forest, like he will literally go ground and do all that stuff. And it's pretty impressive. And he said that his shoe size has changed since going barefoot. Yeah, right. He's actually it's actually gone down because his foot isn't so narrow anymore pointing forward. So it's almost like his foot has gone has gotten shorter, because it's now spread out interesting. Yeah. So I thought that was really, really interesting. And I believe in now seeing my toes not jammed on top of each other. I don't I guess I won't have to be so, so self conscious about it.
Toréa Rodriguez 28:25
Yeah, you know, it's so fascinating because I worked with David a lot on just the foot itself like that we probably spent the first month just working on the feet and the toes and how the toes work. And one of the things he said to me is, you know, let's make sure that you've got a wide enough toe box so that your toes have that space, that movement of the room to move, right? They weren't moving just yet, right. So it felt like things were flopping around. But then eventually what ended up happening for me is that I gained a shoe size. And if you think about it, it's because I would always have these much smaller shoes either too narrow or too pointed in the toe like like you were saying, I looked at my old cycling shoes not too long ago, I used to ride. They call them clipless pedals but you're actually clipped onto the pedals. So you've got these special shoes that clip into the pedals. I looked at those shoes, they're so tight and so narrow, right that no wonder I had a size six shoe. And now I wear a size seven shoe and you can physically see like my toes have completely widened out. My feet have widened out. And David gives me thumbs up for the way my feet look. And I'm just like, Yeah, but they're kind of duck feet. He's like, Yeah, but that's exactly what you want.
Evie Takacs 29:46
Yes. yeah, it is.
Toréa Rodriguez 29:48
You know? Yeah. So now I have to sell some cycling shoes because I can't put my foot in there like I can't fit in those shoes anymore. So it's it's quite interesting.
Evie Takacs 29:56
Yeah, your feet, ankles, hips. They're happier for it
Toréa Rodriguez 29:58
Uh so much happier. So I guess some of the takeaways that I want listeners to have by listening to this episode is, number one movement doesn't have to be restricted to just exercise. Start really thinking about the diversity of the type of movement that you're doing even within your own home, and trying to vary it up as much as possible. So pay attention to those kinds of things. And also the concept of the more natural movement we can get. And let the outdoors inspire you to have that natural movement. So if you see a tree, go try climbing it. When was the last time you climbed a tree? It's harder than you think. Right? It's not like doing a pull up in the gym. But the more that we try and do those things and interact with our natural environment, automatically, we're getting natural movement, and automatically we're getting diversity in our movement nutrition, so to speak, to borrow Katy's term movement nutrition.
Evie Takacs 30:58
Yeah. So I love it. Great advice. I'm cool. Now I'm challenged to go try and climb a tree.
Toréa Rodriguez 31:03
Awesome. I don't know i Let's go do it. Oh, hang from tree.
Evie Takacs 31:06
I think I'm gonna do it. I'm just curious what it's gonna be like. Cool.
Toréa Rodriguez 31:09
So if anybody who's listening, you went out and climbed a tree? Let us know. And we'll see you in the next episode.
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